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bliter
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posted 31 December 2007 10:50 AM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anglican archbishop Rowan Williams has gone to YouTube with an environmental message. I couldn't find the YouTube link, and the several articles I found on the message didn't give it. (wonder why):

http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest+News/Tech+%2526+Science/STIStory_191514.html


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posted 31 December 2007 10:55 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is this it?
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posted 31 December 2007 11:18 AM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, M. Spector. Yes, that was it.

A powerful 10-minute message. Pity it wasn't accompanied by a printout. So much quotable, but I won't paraphrase at this time.


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posted 31 December 2007 01:47 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bliter:
Thanks, M. Spector. Yes, that was it.
Actually, it's not.

The quotes in the Straits Times do not occur in this video. Moreover, the article says the video is being released Monday (today), whereas the above was apparently posted to YouTube December 11.

ETA: The Times says:

quote:
Rev Jonathan Jennings, a spokesman for the Archbishop, said that the video was likely to be available to the public on YouTube tomorrow....

Before its YouTube appearance, the message will be broadcast on BBC2 at 2030 GMT today and again on BBC1 at noon on New Year’s Day.


As for the content: If Christianity really stood for what he says it stands for, it would never have tolerated the rise of capitalism.

[ 31 December 2007: Message edited by: M. Spector ]


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posted 31 December 2007 02:03 PM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Detective M. Spector,

Quite right. The story read like it was a first-time use of YouTube by the archbishop - but apparently not. Still something to look forward to. Perhaps the correct link may soon be able to be shown. Have just checked again, without success.


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posted 31 December 2007 03:59 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bliter:
Detective M. Spector...
That's Detective-Inspector M. Spector.

But you can call me "guv".


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posted 31 December 2007 08:25 PM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Strictly speaking, God loves to waste things. Most species go extinct, most energy generated by stars (including our sun) gets wasted. Even the Second Law of Thermodynamics puts a limit on how much energy in a closed system is lost in the form of waste heat. Someone should send the archbishop a science textbook.

Second Law


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posted 31 December 2007 09:07 PM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nanuq,

"go extinct" or have been made extinct.

On the loss of energy through frictional losses etc. you'd better have that out with Him.


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posted 31 December 2007 09:53 PM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
"go extinct" or have been made extinct.

I'm not sure of the distinction but the number of plant and animal species that exist today represent only a tiny percentage of all the plant and animal species that have ever existed.


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posted 01 January 2008 09:27 AM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This I'm sure, is the elusive message. It includes a tour of a beautiful building built to last:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6qGu4vQJFA

ETA

Does this earn me a gold star, Guv?

[ 01 January 2008: Message edited by: bliter ]


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"He doesn't throw it all away and start again..." Dr. Williams said, talking about God, and forgetting about the story of Noah and the flood.

[ 01 January 2008: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]


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posted 01 January 2008 09:48 AM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
"He doesn't throw it all away and start again..." Dr. Williams said, talking about God, and forgetting about the story of Noah and the flood.

[ 01 January 2008: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]


Picky, bloody picky picky!!


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posted 01 January 2008 10:29 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually Williams strikes me as a very charismatic man in his own way, and is a born documentary host/narrator.

I've always found it curious that the people of the book didn't find man made or induced extinction of other species a direct slap in the face of their God, who created them.

It's funny, I don't think in religious terms, but when food in particular and other resources get wasted from neglect in our house, I refer to it as a "sin", and always have. I have a deep superstition that the things we waste will be things we will come to wish we had someday.

In that vein, the turkey we had for Christmas dinner was salvaged entire, with the bones and other gnarly bits boiled for soup stock.


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posted 01 January 2008 11:01 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is all religious greenwashing. Williams wants to be the Al Gore of Christianity.
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posted 01 January 2008 12:18 PM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
This is all religious greenwashing. Williams wants to be the Al Gore of Christianity.

Well, of course he will have a great interest in those absenting the flock returning to the pews. If, while doing this, he increases awareness of the planet's serious environmental problems, many will fully support his efforts.

I agree with the previous comment on his charisma.
And clearly, on the hot water, soap, and blades necessary to maintain a shaven visage, he has put his money where his mouth is.


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posted 01 January 2008 02:09 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
This is all religious greenwashing. Williams wants to be the Al Gore of Christianity.

Yeah, well, be that as it may, it's a better response to our environmental concerns than what came from the Pope during the Bali conference.

One expects to find coal in the censers in the Catholic churches these days.


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posted 01 January 2008 04:39 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
Yeah, well, be that as it may, it's a better response to our environmental concerns than what came from the Pope during the Bali conference.

But to be fair to the Pope, the Catholic Church, in its role as mutli-national corporation, does not want its 'bottom-line" affected by any pesky environmental laws.


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posted 21 January 2008 05:34 PM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For the halibut.

32 topics, and not one Environmental Justice issue, so I thought I'd visit the morgue. Came up with this one.


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posted 21 January 2008 06:25 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bliter:
For the halibut.

32 topics, and not one Environmental Justice issue, so I thought I'd visit the morgue. Came up with this one.


And yet you dug up this thread without comment.


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posted 21 January 2008 06:41 PM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Boom Boom:

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And yet you dug up this thread without comment.

Yes, a rare thing for me to do - but as did you.

I thought it was quite a fun thread to reread. If it stays alive, may add to it later.

[ 21 January 2008: Message edited by: bliter ]


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posted 21 January 2008 06:54 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So, can we expect you to post all the threads you find fun to read?
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posted 21 January 2008 07:22 PM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We have been indoctrinated to accept obsolescence.
That is one important point of the message that many may benefit from - church-goer or not.

This shows what the church is capable of. Following this message, perhaps we can expect it to be making greater use of YouTube:

God doesn't do Waste

ETA

Boom Boom:

quote:
So, can we expect you to post all the threads you find fun to read?

Sairching, sairching, sairching.

[ 21 January 2008: Message edited by: bliter ]


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