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Erik Redburn
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posted 17 February 2005 08:56 PM      Profile for Erik Redburn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
One thing I've been wondering about since I visiting Babble regularly is how come there's no environment section? Seems strange to me, have you had this conversation before and, if so, is there any reason or just haven't got around to it yet? I'm not complaining really, I'm just curious.
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maestro
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posted 17 February 2005 11:07 PM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I agree there should be an environment section as well as 'economy'.

I know there's 'labour and consumption', but that doesn't really fit economy.

However, the powers that be may decide an environment section is good.

[ 17 February 2005: Message edited by: maestro ]


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spatrioter
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posted 17 February 2005 11:20 PM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
In the spirit of suggesting unnecessary forums that will serve no purpose at all, I propose the following forums:

-The forum regarding spatrioter's sex life.

-The forum about hair and hair products.

-The forum about the different kinds of ear muffs.

Guys. Forums are created in order to categorize topics that are being discussed a lot on babble, so we don't have a million threads discussing the Middle East, or the NDP, clogging up other forums.

Maybe when Ian Gregson stops creating threads about himself, and the Green Party starts clogging up babble with discussion instead of advertising, a separate forum will be created to address environmentalism.

Until then, it fits nicely under "news", "politics", or the various regional forums that discuss other issues as well.


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kingblake
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posted 17 February 2005 11:27 PM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I second all of Spatrioter's nominations. But not an environmental section, for the reasons outlined in Spatrioter's post.
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Erik Redburn
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posted 17 February 2005 11:44 PM      Profile for Erik Redburn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, I'm still a relative newbie here and I'd rather hear what others have to say, but the Environment is one Major issue I don't see being covered all that well in "news" or "activism" either, and from what I've seen so far there's a few other sections that have a more narrow focus and don't seem to get much use at all. If it had its own topic maybe certain Green party members could get involved in more useful dialogue with NDPers than spamming the BC section with press releases. I dunno, Just MO.

[ 17 February 2005: Message edited by: Erik the Red ]


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arborman
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posted 18 February 2005 01:31 AM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'd love to see the environment as a separate forum. No, it's not just about the Green party.
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maestro
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posted 18 February 2005 03:47 AM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Guys. Forums are created in order to categorize topics that are being discussed a lot on babble, so we don't have a million threads discussing the Middle East, or the NDP, clogging up other forums.

That's true, and every new forum creates work for somebody (they do a great job of running babble now, and I know it's a load of work), so don't get me wrong, I understand at least some of the issues.

But environmental issues tend to get posted in a variety of different forums, This makes it more difficult to follow the general topic, and harder to relate items to each other.

At the same time, there are forums that get very little use.

So I believe it may be possible, by judicious editing, to create an environmental forum without adding to the number of forums.

AS far as my suggestion for an 'economy' forum, there already is labour and consumption. I believe a name change wouldn't hurt.


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Gir Draxon
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posted 18 February 2005 06:27 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Because babble doens't want to have 30,000 sections, only a few of which are actually used (unlike some forums)?
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kuri
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posted 18 February 2005 06:45 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think an environment section would be a good idea, but not just a Green party section. There's been a good number of threads about the Kyoto accord, GMO foods, etc, that would fit with this, and perhaps the environment section would spur more. A downside would be causing difficulties for people making threads on localized environmental issues... e.g. "should I put this in the ontario/quebec/manitoba forum or should I put it in the environment forum?"
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alsocanadian
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posted 18 February 2005 12:36 PM      Profile for alsocanadian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Greens are not the environmental arm of the NDP.
GMO should be on all our radar screens...

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swallow
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posted 18 February 2005 12:49 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Forums are created sometimes even when there is no particular demand. Sometimes that helps generate the demand. The anti-racist forum was meant to create debate, not handle an existing demand for anti-racist discussion. Today we have a new section on Judy Rebick's wonderful book.

An environment section might also help create some debate on these topics, bring them together so thrads inform one another, and attract new activists to the site -- and a new influx of something other than trolls is surely a good thing, no? On the other hand, the original reason for creating the internaitonal peace movemetn forum has long gone, and there's no reason why it can't be archived as the election forum was, or folded into activism. Presto: an environment forum, and no forum proliferation.


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Contrarian
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posted 18 February 2005 12:51 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I usually start threads about Kyoto, etc., in the humanities and science forum; but other threads do end up in news, etc.; and I guess some of everything ends up in features from time to time.
I started a thread about sources of information on Kyoto, but had few bites yet.

[ 18 February 2005: Message edited by: Contrarian ]


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quelar
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posted 18 February 2005 01:50 PM      Profile for quelar     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
-The forum regarding spatrioter's sex life.

Why open an empty forum?

(sorry, just had to take the shot)


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Bookish Agrarian
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posted 18 February 2005 02:40 PM      Profile for Bookish Agrarian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Wouldn't one of the problems with an environmental forum be that the environment cuts across so many other issues.
Not opposed, just not sure it has a practical application.
It would also definetly help if a certain someone would use the site for things other than direct campaigning. Quoting parts of press releases in context, with original thoughts, could be a valuable contribution to debate, especially if we could get over our little axe grinding problem. Right now though it's just annoying.

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kuri
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posted 18 February 2005 02:46 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well feminism and anti-racism cut across a lot of issues too. Someone might post something in the feminist forum to emphasize that line of analysis, and similarly, someone wanting to emphasize the environmental implications of a particular issue would put it in the environment forum. I see it as a kind frame.

[ 18 February 2005: Message edited by: dokidoki ]


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Michelle
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posted 18 February 2005 02:59 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What spatrioter said. Times twelve.
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arborman
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posted 18 February 2005 07:58 PM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Just to be clear - we have a forum to discuss Judy Rebick's new book, but we don't have one to discuss the environment. Okeydokie.
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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 18 February 2005 08:09 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
We can only hope that one day you'll learn the difference between a thread and a forum.
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Michelle
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posted 18 February 2005 08:10 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Actually, LTJ - there IS a new Ten Thousand Roses forum.
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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 18 February 2005 08:11 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
...oops.

My apologies, arborman.


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windsphere
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posted 06 March 2005 05:34 PM      Profile for windsphere   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I am very new, just got to go. Environment was the fist place I went to see what was being talked about. I am doing projects- research about water, food, and replacements/substitutes for psycoligical bonds to consumption.

In a more positive way, Audubon, aquifer and resource-fullness.....

I am interested in balance and wellness.


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posted 06 March 2005 07:39 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
We've had discussions about water a few months ago, but I don't recall where; also Kyoto, etc. Here's a few references about water that I have found.
One expert on water that I have heard about is David Schindler, a Professor of Ecology at the University of Alberta in Edmonton. Here is an interview with him for an outdoors magazine, where he talks about the effects of global warming on freshwater, etc.
There is a book you might be interested in that comes out of a 2003 conference on water. Link to it here. There is a Great Lakes Conference in June 2005 Link here.

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posted 07 March 2005 07:59 AM      Profile for windsphere   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Contrarian,
Hi, Thanks for the link to David Schindler- It will help with on my work this week in a rural area. It has good info and is presented in a practical way. Thanks- I will look at the conference info-

I am working on a project,"Turtle Vision (T.V.): from the mouths of fishes to the ears of humans, something special about WATER" I have a wide collection of sayings, facts, questions, spiritual and humorus "bubbles"


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posted 09 March 2005 03:15 AM      Profile for GreenerGuy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
If the concern is that 'environment' is too general, how about 'Green Issues'. The term green is not associated with just the Green Party, heck even the ND's are calling themselves 'Greener than Green'.

There's a genuine concern by many that we should get around to saving the planet in as many big and small ways as possible.

I would also like to draw attention to Contrarian's post in my intro thread where he (she?) linked me to homestyle wind power. That was great! I'd like to post my ideas and hear other people's, but there is not clear place to put it.

I want a forum to discuss these things because, if you can't breathe the air or drink the water, does any of the other discussion on this board really matter?

Mark
www.greenerpolitics.com


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Ethical Redneck
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posted 09 March 2005 03:47 AM      Profile for Ethical Redneck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I suppose there wouldn't be anything wrong with an environment forum. But it seems it would simply duplicate a lot of discussion that already goes on here.

For example, as a democratic socialist involved with the labour, cooperative, local conservation and ethical small business movements and the NDP, I see more often that not economic, labour and democracy issues crossing well over into ecological and environmental concerns.

As for the NDP forum, ecological ideas seem to be discussed there very often, and that's a good thing (the labour and consumption forum does as well).

The fact is the NDP is the only political party I know of that takes ecological health and sustainability values seriously and puts forward credible economic policies to address these and always has. Other parties simply aren't credible and never have been on this.

SO on here, it's a natural forum for ecological matters to be discussed.


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posted 09 March 2005 03:49 AM      Profile for Ethical Redneck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
PS: good web site, greener guy. I bookmarked it for future reference in the work I do around here.
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posted 10 March 2005 01:50 PM      Profile for GreenerGuy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
thanks ethical:

It's my first attempt at creating a web community. It's slowly growing as I try to add daily content and longer book review and articles weekly.

If you have any suggestions on how it might be improved, (i.e. adding a forum topic that you and others have expressed an interest in) let me know. I think I am small enough to be sufficiently responsive.

Mark
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posted 11 March 2005 01:27 PM      Profile for windsphere   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Greener Guy, I followed the Contrarian thread from his Feb 18th post-

the overlaps in environment are the constant- I had a water focus that is morphing-

I can see the need for a focus as well as for the integration with economics, policy, art, education.... health

mostly just glad I started doing this-


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posted 06 November 2008 01:32 AM      Profile for Yellowrose2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
ARE ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLATIONS ARE BEING IGNORED?

WHO CAN GET AN OIL COMPANY TO PRODUCE A COPY OF OUR 2001 RELEASE FROM PA "DEP" WHICH AGREEMENTS CALLED FOR?

It appears the news media and government are afraid of the oil company, unwilling to address and/or write about environmental violations.
As a victim/owner whose property an oil company spilled oil which migrated under the foundations of our homes and left the scene, latter agreed to conduct Act II clean-up/removal of cancer causing oil which migrated under our homes, then provided fraudulent release to owners.

I request help in getting the oil company to:
1-relocate a non suspecting resident who has moved onto the spill site into the home of the deceased resident, who failed to move after the spill, unaware the hydro petrolem gases were left in the soil which cause cancer.
2-produce copies of our 2001 release from PA "DEP"
3-purchase the homes, tare them down and remove the toxic soil under the foundations of homes and in the yards, to prevent any future deaths.

I have documentation to demonstrate my claims but have been unable to get any help for violations of environmental heath and safety laws in a minority neighborhood by this oil company.
Help to insure noone else move into one of these homes and dies from cancer years latter. As this oil company deceives owners to save the cost of cleaning up their mistakes.
How many families will get cancer from oil left under the foundation of their homes? Is this oil company providing financial incentives to shuts down all help for its victims?
I want to hear from you and you help.

Yellowrose2


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posted 06 November 2008 01:37 AM      Profile for Yellowrose2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
ARE ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLATIONS ARE BEING IGNORED?

WHO CAN GET AN OIL COMPANY TO PRODUCE A COPY OF OUR 2001 RELEASE FROM PA "DEP" WHICH AGREEMENTS CALLED FOR?

It appears the news media and government are afraid of the oil company, unwilling to address and/or write about environmental violations.
As a victim/owner whose property an oil company spilled oil which migrated under the foundations of our homes and left the scene, latter agreed to conduct Act II clean-up/removal of cancer causing oil which migrated under our homes, then provided fraudulent release to owners.

I request help in getting the oil company to:
1-relocate a non suspecting resident who has moved onto the spill site into the home of the deceased resident, who failed to move after the spill, unaware the hydro petrolem gases were left in the soil which cause cancer.
2-produce copies of our 2001 release from PA "DEP"
3-purchase the homes, tare them down and remove the toxic soil under the foundations of homes and in the yards, to prevent any future deaths.

I have documentation to demonstrate my claims but have been unable to get any help for violations of environmental heath and safety laws in a minority neighborhood by this oil company.
Help to insure noone else move into one of these homes and dies from cancer years latter. As this oil company deceives owners to save the cost of cleaning up their mistakes.
How many families will get cancer from oil left under the foundation of their homes? Is this oil company providing financial incentives to shuts down all help for its victims?
I want to hear from you and you help.

Yellowrose2
bj.harris@yahoo.com


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Fidel
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posted 06 November 2008 01:41 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Good luck with that, YellowRose. Meanwhile in Canada, colonial administrators in our two oldest political parties intend to transform Alberta into an environmental equivalent of Guantanamo.
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posted 06 November 2008 02:54 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Strange. Let's close this and let the conversation continue in the environmental justice forum, which eventually did end up being created.
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