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steffie
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posted 10 April 2004 04:52 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Regarding the risk of addiction:

"...Our research shows that people using cannabis with a high amount of THC smoke a little bit less. They like the effect, but don't need any more THC and therefore smoke less, which is one of the positive sides of high levels of the substance. Research on animals shows that when given strong cannabis, they also tend to take less."

Can this be a clue to the answer to drug addiction? Or, is the "better quality equals less consumption" paradigm specific to this particular "drug"?
Also, how does this bear on the legalization debate in Canada, where medical users of cannabis have been known to complain about the poor quality supplied by the government? I read an article in a newspaper that questioned the effectiveness of the low-quality hemp sold to "legal users", forget where I saw it.


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BLAKE 3:16
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posted 10 April 2004 05:04 PM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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BLAKE 3:16
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posted 10 April 2004 05:08 PM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Can this be a clue to the answer to drug addiction? Or, is the "better quality equals less consumption" paradigm specific to this particular "drug"?

Cannabis is particularly complex drug -- THC is generally understood as the prime "ingredient" but many chemicals unique to cannabis create its complexity and the character of different strands.

Check out the Erowid site for its info on cannabis. Erowid is by far the best English language site for information on recreational and not so recreational drugs.


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N.Beltov
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posted 10 April 2004 05:19 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Health Canada has a website with their Office of Cannabis Medical Access (OCMA) that has some information in a Canadian context. I particularly like the Information for Health Care Professionals..very thorough.

Office of Cannabis Medical Access


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Rufus Polson
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posted 10 April 2004 05:27 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
One key point is that I've never heard that cannabis is addictive. Well, from any source with anything resembling credibility.
Whereas opiates, cocaine, nicotine, and for many people alcohol, clearly are. I'd expect these results wouldn't generalize to addictive drugs.

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N.Beltov
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posted 10 April 2004 05:38 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm no expert...but I think there is a real lack of research of any kind in relation to cannabinoids. I'm not familliar with any evidence that supports the claim that cannabis is addictive. But there's a lot more than that subject to research in relation to cannabis.

The Government of Canada spends money on insuring that the THC-level in Hemp products is at a "safe" level, but there needs to be a whole lot more done besides that. Drug laws seem to me to be an area where our country can exert some influence on that snarling beast to the south of us. The number of people in U.S. prisons for simple possesion and drug infractions is ridiculous.


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BLAKE 3:16
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posted 10 April 2004 05:44 PM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I've only known a couple of people who I would describe as marijuana addicts, but primarily in the terms one can speak of Internet or TV addiction. It was their means of disassociating and coping with daily pressures.

One of the qualities of marijuana which make it so less harmful than other classes of drugs, is its long half life and the storage of cannabinoids in a body's fat. The constituent materials of marijuana appear to have their own neurochechemistry and neurorecepters, which are not connected to the main classes of addictive drugs.

This is also the part that gets people into trouble -- pot can be detected in urine or hair for extended periods, while alcohol or cocaine are only detectable for extremely short periods of time. The effect of this to discourage people under institutional observation (work, prison, family) to use far more dangerous drugs than pot.


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paxamillion
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posted 10 April 2004 09:46 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by BLAKE 3:16:
I've only known a couple of people who I would describe as marijuana addicts, but primarily in the terms one can speak of Internet or TV addiction. It was their means of disassociating and coping with daily pressures.

I think of addiction and dependency as two different things. Addiction is self-determined. When someone can't seem to stop something by themselves, addiction is likely. Dependency is a medical or scientific determination based on the physical factors of a substance used.

As Blake points out, addicts use their addictive behaviours as non-systemic way of addressing problems. Because they perceive their behaviours as effective (even denying evidence to the contrary), their interest in using more systemic solutions to those problems diminishes. So, typically, the problems get worse. The addictive behaviours themselves can pile on more problems, and contribute to more addictive behaviour.

So, it's quite possible, IMO, to have users of pot self-select as addicts. I have heard from my friends in NA, that pot addicts aren't considered "real" addicts. Ironic.


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audra trower williams
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posted 10 April 2004 09:51 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm gonna move this to "body and soul" ...
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