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rici
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posted 08 March 2006 04:51 PM      Profile for rici     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So a friend asks me today, "why does Canada try so hard to make it look like the US?" (I'm translating roughly here, it was just a social conversation), and I say, "I don't think most of us do" and he says "No, I mean your government", and I get a bit embarrassed and start mumbling the usual stuff, they just have a minority, it's true they're a lot more pro-US but, etc., and he says, no, I mean their website, I saw it a year ago, and he shows me this: www.canadianally.com

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CanadianAlly.com is an electronic newsletter maintained by the Canadian Embassy in Washington, DC, designed specifically for an American audience. The goal of this e-publication is to bring together pertinent defence and security information from a variety of government departments, agencies, military commands and bi-national organizations. The intent is to give American citizens a better sense of the scope of Canada's role in North American and Global Security and the War on Terror.

(from the left-hand menu, "What is Canadian Ally")

And I was, I have to say, shocked.

Is this really the image of ourselves we want to show the world?


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S1m0n
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posted 08 March 2006 04:59 PM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post
It's a sales pitch, couched in the language and frame of reference of the intended audience.

Similarly, an ad attempting to reach an audience of middle-aged beer-league hockey hosers is likely to use different language and style from an ad attempting to sell to attendees at a pride parade, even if both ads are selling mortgages.

That's elementary communications strategy, shurely.


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posted 08 March 2006 05:02 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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It's a sales pitch, couched in the language and frame of reference of the intended audience.

What are they selling? Is it what they ought to be selling?

For that matter: ought governments to be "selling" in this fashion at all?


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S1m0n
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posted 08 March 2006 05:05 PM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:

What are they selling? Is it what they ought to be selling?

For that matter: ought governments to be "selling" in this fashion at all?


They're attempting to sell the idea that Canada is a reliable ally and shouldn't be included in knee-jerk american security phobias, like passport requirements or border fences.


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rici
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Yeah, and where is the sales pitch aimed at people who think that Canada is a peaceful, internationally-aware nation with a healthy skepticism about US militarism, like for example most of my friends?
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posted 08 March 2006 05:11 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by S1m0n:
They're attempting to sell the idea that Canada is a reliable ally and shouldn't be included in knee-jerk american security phobias, like passport requirements or border fences.

You misunderstood -- or ignored -- my last question. Ought governments to be "selling" government policy at all?

That is: do we to think of our government as just another player in some kind of market? Why is the "market" an appropriate metaphor for what the government does? I see no particularly good reason, except habit and the colonization of public discourse -- the corruption of public discourse -- by MBA-speak.

This reminds me of another thread in which the "destruction of the public sphere," and its replacement by some kind of Neverland in which everything is a transaction, and nothing can be described except in the language of marketing and business schools and "management," came up. I got into an argument with someone who kept trying to get me to answer questions on this or that aspect of the "electoral market," when it was precisely the idea of an "electoral market" I was objecting to.


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S1m0n
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posted 08 March 2006 05:14 PM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by rici:
Yeah, and where is the sales pitch aimed at people who think that Canada is a peaceful, internationally-aware nation with a healthy skepticism about US militarism, like for example most of my friends?

Are you really having such a difficult time finding the expression of that message?

~~

The classic definition of a diplomat is "an honest man sent abroad to lie for his country". Don't look now, but the canadian embassy is filled with diplomats, and the material they produce and target at opinion-makers and legislators in the US is likely to be less than completely candid. That's what they do.


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S1m0n
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posted 08 March 2006 05:18 PM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:
Ought governments to be "selling" government policy at all?

That is what diplomats do.

Do you think we should close down our efforts to influence foreign governments to alter legislation which harms our interests?


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rici
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posted 08 March 2006 05:19 PM      Profile for rici     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by S1m0n:
That is what diplomats do.

Diplomats are paid to exchange transparent prevarications over exquisite hors d'oeuvres, and that's ok with me, I guess.

But this is a public webpage, effectively a media outlet, broadcast to the world and bearing the Canadian government's insignia. So I'd say that's what propagandists do.

That aside, it bugs me. Am I just being too sensitive about my perceptions of what Canadian values are?

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posted 08 March 2006 07:53 PM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Rici, that is an exquisitely Canadian sentiment.

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S1m0n
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posted 08 March 2006 08:05 PM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post
I think it's time for Walt Whitman to weigh in:

"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes."

Canada includes the sentiments expressed on this webpage, as well as many contrary ones.


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posted 08 March 2006 08:42 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Call it (the webpage) a product of "deep integration".
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posted 08 March 2006 09:07 PM      Profile for Webgear     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I do not believe this is offical government webpage, it has been around for a few years.

It was started by (I believe) a few ex-military/government/civilian pro military types back in around 2003.

However the website never looked this official when it first came out.


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'lance
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posted 08 March 2006 09:13 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Webgear:
I do not believe this is offical government webpage, it has been around for a few years.

It was started by (I believe) a few ex-military/government/civilian pro military types back in around 2003.

However the website never looked this official when it first came out.


However that may be, it looks official now.

quote:
CanadianAlly.com is an electronic newsletter maintained by the Canadian Embassy in Washington, DC, designed specifically for an American audience. The goal of this e-publication is to bring together pertinent defence and security information from a variety of government departments, agencies, military commands and bi-national organizations. The intent is to give American citizens a better sense of the scope of Canada's role in North American and Global Security and the War on Terror.

CanadianAlly.com is managed by:

Lt.Col Jamie Robertson
Counsellor (Military-Media Affairs)
Canadian Embassy
Washington DC, 20001
(202) 448 6324



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posted 08 March 2006 09:17 PM      Profile for Webgear     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, I just saw that as I was surfing the site.

Sorry my mistake.


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rici
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posted 08 March 2006 09:48 PM      Profile for rici     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I wouldn't have said anything had it not been official. I have no objection to random Canadians saying random things (within the limits of good taste and all that). But when it's blessed by the Canadian government, it effectively becomes an official Canadian media, just as though it were a newspaper.

I thought my friend was going to show me army.ca, and had my freedom-of-speech arguments all ready for that. But no.

Here's the whois on it:

Registrant:
Canadian Embassy
501 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, District of Columbia 20001
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: CANADIANALLY.COM
Created on: 27-Feb-04
Expires on: 27-Feb-09
Last Updated on: 03-Feb-06

Administrative Contact:
Robertson, Lt-Col Jamie jamie.robertson@dfait-maeci.gc.ca
Canadian Embassy
501 Pennsylvania Ave, NW
Washington, District of Columbia 20001
United States
(202) 448-6324 Fax -- (202) 682-7791

Technical Contact:
Robertson, Lt-Col Jamie jamie.robertson@dfait-maeci.gc.ca
Canadian Embassy
501 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, District of Columbia 20001
United States
(202) 448-6324 Fax -- (202) 682-7791

That looks to me like it was always official. (GoDaddy! give me a break...)

ETA: note about army.ca

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posted 08 March 2006 11:52 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm stunned. And angry.
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posted 09 March 2006 12:38 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Similarly, an ad attempting to reach an audience of middle-aged beer-league hockey hosers...

WTF?

Hey, if you keep that up I'll hafta get outta my chair(dang, my glass is empty; gotta make a trip to the ol' garbage pail...) and tune you in, buddy.

Shoot; hang on, "Weeds" is gonna be on right away...


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posted 09 March 2006 01:35 AM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Holy crap. I've been ignoring this thread because, from the title, I thought it was about the seal hunt.

quote:
Robertson, Lt-Col Jamie jamie.robertson@dfait-maeci.gc.ca

Time for letters to him and to the MPs I guess. Cripes progressives/socialists are so up against a freakin' wall. In some ways it is good we got rid of the "liberal" Martin and can just turn our guns on the Reform-Alliance-Tory RATs.

Side, or not, issue. When I see our flag merged with that of the US -- it makes me want to scream. I do believe that many right wing American nuts might feel the same way, for different reasons.


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posted 09 March 2006 04:16 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by siren:
Time for letters to him and to the MPs I guess. Cripes progressives/socialists are so up against a freakin' wall.

I sent mine. Unfortunately, my MP probably encourages this stuff. It's not only "progressives/socialists" who dislike it. People who would simply like a little decency dislike the militarism in a web site like this.

BTW, I think that it is best to address your letters to as wide a range as possible. If you only send to one politician, such as the Prime Minister, it is pretty easy for his staff to toss it; particularly if you email it. However, if you copy it to the opposition and several media outlets, the minions are less inclined to ignore it. At least, that's my theory.


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posted 09 March 2006 06:47 PM      Profile for Pyed Typer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by siren:
. . . Side, or not, issue. When I see our flag merged with that of the US -- it makes me want to scream. I do believe that many right wing American nuts might feel the same way, for different reasons.

If you look closely, you will see that the flags are not merged, they are two distinct images, side by side, which is as they should be in any neutral territory (cyberspace).

On another country’s soil, the visitor’s flag should by slightly lower than the host’s flag.

A foreign country’s flag is highest on its own Embassy, no matter which country is hosting, because of the legal fiction that the Embassy actually owns the soil its building stands upon.


I would be interested to know exactly what (cast a link) you found that is so reprehensible.

To me it looks like a well-executed Military site explaining their (military) Canadian viewpoint, covering the topics most likely to occur to the average American, in terms with which said American is most familiar.

My only comment (from my cursory glance) is that the effort seems rather futile, since to my mind most "average Americans" appear unlikely to seek information beyond the mouth of the FoxNews megaphone.

Perhaps I am only bitter because of the result from the last two American presidential elections.


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quote:
Originally posted by Pyed Typer:
If you look closely, you will see that the flags are not merged, they are two distinct images, side by side, which is as they should be in any neutral territory (cyberspace).

How is this, not merged?

Perhaps it is a result of my location, but I (too) often see some sort of American/Canadian flag merger -- on cars in parking lots, for e.g. Maybe Albertans are the only people subjected to this.

From, Our Heritage

Am I the only one who constantly sees this crap on cars?

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Just wanted to point out that Canada really is an ally of the United States both through the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and the North American Aerospace Defence Command.

Whether or not you agree that Canada should be, the reality is that we are allies. An attack on one country is considered an atack on the other. This is the legal justification for our presence along with other NATO partners in Afghanistan.


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posted 09 March 2006 11:54 PM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Yeah, and where is the sales pitch aimed at people who think that Canada is a peaceful, internationally-aware nation with a healthy skepticism about US militarism, like for example most of my friends?

Probably not too huge an audience for that sales pitch. Seeing as how most "internationally-aware" people have probably heard of Afghanistan and Haiti.

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What would you rater see? Your finest at their best mourning the loss of the fallen? Or may be you would prefer to see the bodies of those who choose to defend the freedoms and comforts you enjoy being drug through the streets of some hovel you can't even pronouce name of, much claim to have ever seen. Canda has chosen to play a role in a conflict that stems back over 2000 years and has spread beyond its borders because nobody put a stop to it when it began. What i nextime the target is Quebec or Montreal not NYC or LA?
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posted 10 March 2006 12:56 AM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post
Hark, i hear bellowing and bluster from the bushes
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sidra
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posted 10 March 2006 01:41 AM      Profile for sidra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Double post, my apology.

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posted 10 March 2006 01:44 AM      Profile for sidra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Canda has chosen to play a role in a conflict that stems back over 2000 years and has spread beyond its borders because nobody put a stop to it when it began. What i nextime the target is Quebec or Montreal not NYC or LA? Amercenary

And what is specifically this 2000 years old conflict ? Spread beyond Canada's borders ? Do you mean it started in Canada and spread beyond its borders ? Why would Quebec or Montreal be targeted ? Isn't Montreal in Quebec or do you mean Quebec-City ? Hmmm...!


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quote:
Originally posted by rici:
Yeah, and where is the sales pitch aimed at people who think that Canada is a peaceful, internationally-aware nation with a healthy skepticism about US militarism, like for example most of my friends?


You are missing the target audience for this website... Others already pointed it out.


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posted 10 March 2006 02:51 AM      Profile for Reason   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
My god. I am in awe of the lack of thought and knee-jerk reaction in this thread.

Whine all you want. Time for me to get back to real life, let let all you gnash your teeth over what exactly?


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The more I see folks spewing anti American bile the more I think they identify themselves as idiotarians. The U.S is the best friend Canada has and those who don't think so can be identified as ignorant moonbats. I have a crossed flags lapel pin that I wear and am proud to do so. The US has given us far more than we ever gave them and they are not the type of folk who lord it over us like the French who let no good turn go unpunished. We should be paying attention to a lot of their ways instead of heading down the slippery slope of Socialism. Canada is, I'm afraid going to wind up worse off than Brittan as it is our productivity has been in decline. More and more of our brightest are bailing out and heading south because there are greater opportunities and they are appreciated and not taxed to death. The freedoms in the US are far greater than ours and it seems we are loosing more and more every day. Here’s something for the leftoid dingelberries above to think about. No nation has ever defined itself by stating what it isn’t.
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posted 10 March 2006 09:33 AM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Captain - trade places with ya anytime. You can live here in Iowa and I'll go to Newfoundland. I'll take that swap in a heartbeat.

Been to your blog and checked out the language you use to engage in 'debate.' I don't think you'll like it here. Maybe you should troll someplace else where they talk like you.

like here


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posted 10 March 2006 09:39 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Craig:
The more I see folks spewing anti American bile the more I think they identify themselves as idiotarians. The U.S is the best friend Canada has and those who don't think so can be identified as ignorant moonbats. I have a crossed flags lapel pin that I wear and am proud to do so. The US has given us far more than we ever gave them and they are not the type of folk who lord it over us like the French who let no good turn go unpunished. We should be paying attention to a lot of their ways instead of heading down the slippery slope of Socialism. Canada is, I'm afraid going to wind up worse off than Brittan as it is our productivity has been in decline. More and more of our brightest are bailing out and heading south because there are greater opportunities and they are appreciated and not taxed to death. The freedoms in the US are far greater than ours and it seems we are loosing more and more every day. Here’s something for the leftoid dingelberries above to think about. No nation has ever defined itself by stating what it isn’t.

This is a really, really great post. The language is colouful and clever; idiotarians; leftoid dingelberries. Just great! Keep it up!

So, but wait, you are saying that a nation can not define itself by what it isn't, does that mean it has to define itself by becoming like something else?


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quote:
Originally posted by Américain Égalitaire:

Been to your blog and checked out the language you use to engage in 'debate.' I don't think you'll like it here. Maybe you should troll someplace else where they talk like you.

like here


Lot of snuff films on that. Wierd.


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Capt. Craig, we have more freedoms than the Yanks. There are no countries forbidden us, nor websites, radio stations, or TV channels. We can marry who we want, from either sex. We can grow peanuts wherever they'll take.

Perhaps you'll enlighten us about what the US has done for us, or what the French lord over us. While you're at it, explain why even the Italians, never mind the Germans, had to call the US out, in WW11.


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quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:

ROFL


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quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Craig:
We should be paying attention to a lot of their ways instead of heading down the slippery slope of Socialism. Canada is, I'm afraid going to wind up worse off than Brittan as it is our productivity has been in decline. More and more of our brightest are bailing out and heading south.

'Brittan'?

Well, maybee not ALL of owr best and brytist, eh?
Gotta love that 'slippery slope of socialism' though.


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posted 10 March 2006 10:46 AM      Profile for Capt. Craig   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
We can't keep and bear arms in Canada.
We have to watch the PC TV channels as approved by the CRTC. (We only just got FOX after Al-Jazeera)
I have to be part of the Socialist health care system that is almost third world. (My wife had to wait 9 months for a mammogram)She could get one the next day in the U.S. There are medications that are available in the U.S and not here. Also The U.S Food and Drug is more responsible than the Canadian counterpart. Want an example? The U.S wouldn't license Thalidomide while Canada did and then we had the disaster. How about the SARS fiasco. Need I go on?

It seems that a lot of you are still wet behind the ears. Here's what a real Canadian said back in 73:

Gordon Sinclair
Radio Station CFBR 1010
2 St. Clair Avenue West
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

"LET'S BE PERSONAL"
Broadcast June 5, 1973
CFRB, Toronto, Ontario
Topic: "The Americans"

The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.

I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.

Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.

When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.

Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.

I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.

This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over… has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped.

Now about France:

After we saved their ass in WWII they threw us out of the country. We had RCAF Stations at Marville, Grostenquin and Metz located in France as part of our NATO commitment and we got the bums rush. Thankful bunch of bastards eh?


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We can't keep and bear arms in Canada.


Who ever told you you could? Some Yankee Wanna-Be? Well, you wanna be a Yankee? No one's stopping you.

Quisling.

[ 10 March 2006: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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So, France doesn't want foreign troops on their soil..isn't that what started WW11 in the first place? And do you blame medicare for SARS? You're wet between the ears.
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BTW, "Capt. Craig", my ancestors and family fought (and some died) for the very freedom I'm about to display.

F‹ off, you cheap sell-out. You wanna be a carbon-copy Yank? Then become one. It's time for all you Fifth Columnists to come out of the closet and achieve your destiny by going where you're happiest.

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Now about France:

After we saved their ass in WWII they threw us out of the country. We had RCAF Stations at Marville, Grostenquin and Metz located in France as part of our NATO commitment and we got the bums rush. Thankful bunch of bastards eh?


It the interests of accuracy I would like to point out that, despite the impression you might get from reading Capt. Craig's post, the above anti-French remarks were NOT part of Gordon Sinclair's famous radio address.

Apart from that, I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone is botheing to debate the Captain. He has to be the most ham-fisted, unsubtle troll I've seen here in a while.


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Hep, it appears, judging by your erudite discourse that your ancestors may have died in vain.
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Thalidomide?

Stop the presses! The Cap'n has some breaking news for us.

[ 10 March 2006: Message edited by: Merowe ]


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Hep, it appears, judging by your erudite discourse that your ancestors may have died in vain.


Not really. I can smell a Vichy Canadian a mile away.

Fuck off, Quisling.

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rabble t-shirt designers, take note!

"help us down the slippery slope of socialism -- rabble.ca"

thank you, captain! (crisp salute)


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I am allways amused when a military man has a problem with socialism. The military is pure socialism by their own light. The military is a top down dictatorship that takes care of its own. Order, discipline and free medical care.
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Originally posted by Cougyr:
I am allways amused when a military man has a problem with socialism. The military is pure socialism by their own light. The military is a top down dictatorship that takes care of its own. Order, discipline and free medical care.


Yes, socialism did so much for Russia. I am disappointed that they continue to not accept me as a refugee.


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You subvert your own argument. Your trip down memory lane conveniently glosses over the fact that Canada at that time was arguably more conservative than the US back then.

You're a dead ender. Canada's moving away from your ideals, as is most of the world. No wonder you lash out..


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Originally posted by CPT. Craig:

We can't keep and bear arms in Canada.


Yes we can. The only difference is the government reserves the right to end it if it feels inclined to.

(read - Liberals)

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Originally posted by nister:
You subvert your own argument. Your trip down memory lane conveniently glosses over the fact that Canada at that time was arguably more conservative than the US back then.

You're a dead ender. Canada's moving away from your ideals, as is most of the world. No wonder you lash out..



Good god... History. I hated the subject in school, but got into it anyways.

Nice to see how time blinds the fool. It is comforting to know that the old saying, "...failure to know the past, is condemed to repeat it..." or words to that effect.

Socialism, could in theory work, the only country where it came close was the former Yugoslavia. Between the end of WW2 and Chairman Tito's death, there were approximately 200,000 deaths attributed to Tito's regime. Ethnic tension, and nationalist feelings kept popping up, and Tito had to use his army to put down those nationalist leanings for the good of all.

First, for succesful socialism, you would have to drown out greed in the human spirit. How would you propose you do that? Without killing the creative spirit? Many in the military are comfortable with working towards the collective good... Many who join the military and are not good with that think do either leave or are forced out. Not everyone on this planet is willing to go that route, some are, others would have to be forced, and only for a short time.

Ever drive a Yugo by the way? The creative spirit in Yugoslavia was almost completely destroyed. There was no desire for the most part to do things better, no drive.


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Originally posted by Amercenary:
Canda has chosen to play a role in a conflict that stems back over 2000 years and has spread beyond its borders because nobody put a stop to it when it began.

What are you going on about?


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Originally posted by Américain Égalitaire:
Captain - trade places with ya anytime.

I'd offer him my former place, but I've already offered it a couple dozen time over.


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My "dead ender" comment was directed at Capt. C., Reason..and my point was that the world sees America as menace, not an endorsement of socialism.

Russia as cautionary tale? Give me a break. They lost some 20 million people to WW11; I've never seen figures on the wounded, but they must have been on the order of another 40 million. America lost 430,000. Reverse those stats and see how things shake out..

This thread has popped a bobbin.


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Originally posted by Capt. Craig:
It seems that a lot of you are still wet behind the ears. Here's what a real Canadian said back in 73:

Gordon Sinclair...


Oh, God, not that tripe again...

Haven't you got something more important to do, like go read Margaret Wente?


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Originally posted by nister:
My "dead ender" comment was directed at Capt. C., Reason..and my point was that the world sees America as menace, not an endorsement of socialism.

Russia as cautionary tale? Give me a break. They lost some 20 million people to WW11; I've never seen figures on the wounded, but they must have been on the order of another 40 million. America lost 430,000. Reverse those stats and see how things shake out..

This thread has popped a bobbin.



Russia was totaltarian before WW2.


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Reason, so what? Imperial Russia suffered greatly in WW1, and the Bolshies put paid to that. What did America suffer in WW1?

Again, I see serious drift here. The thread is about the image we present to the world.


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Captain Craig, if you don't think that France contributed to America, the next time you are in Washington , visit Lafayette Square and the statue of General Rochambeau and visit Cape Henry, Virginia to see the monument to Admiral le comte de Grasse. In the Yorktown campaign that won the United States its independence, France supplied 41% of the soldiers and took 75% of the casualties including 71% of the deaths.

[ 10 March 2006: Message edited by: Bobolink ]


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Originally posted by nister:
Reason, so what? Imperial Russia suffered greatly in WW1, and the Bolshies put paid to that. What did America suffer in WW1?

Again, I see serious drift here. The thread is about the image we present to the world.



That maybe, but the target audience of the webpage in question is NOT the world, but people working in the American defense and security sector.

Last time I checked, a webpage that is targetting sports minded people is not a drab collection of inane mutterings... But a collection of pictures and brief bullet points on sports. (I'll take the inane mutterings myself).

So, people are upset that a website, that targetted Americans in the defense and security sector is what exactly? Has some American imagery? Has some defense related material in it?

A collective grow up is warrented here.


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Originally posted by Bobolink:
Captain Craig, if you don't think that France contributed to America, the next time you are in Washington , visit Lafayette Square and the statue of General Rochambeau and visit Cape Henry, Virginia to see the monument to Admiral le comte de Grasse. In the Yorktown campaign that won the United States its independence, France supplied 41% of the soldiers and took 75% of the casualties including 71% of the deaths.

And the American State Department has this on their website: France is also America's oldest ally; French military intervention was instrumental in helping Britain's American colonies establish independence.


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The objection to being lumped in with American militarists is not the same as soldier-bashing, although if you like I'll post some pictures of American marines posing with the freshly severed heads of Carib Indians.
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Originally posted by nister:
The objection to being lumped in with American militarists is not the same as soldier-bashing, although if you like I'll post some pictures of American marines posing with the freshly severed heads of Carib Indians.

The point I am trying to make, and the point that everyone on this side of the spectrum chooses to ignore, is that we need the Americans far more then they need us. So yup, we are going to advertise to them, and we are going to target certain segments. We have no real defense industry of our own, and now that the Liberals and now the Conservatives have recognised that the CF is in dire need of new everything, we have to go outt and woo the masses.

We can't even get from coast to coast in our own country right now without renting Russian planes.


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We can do without American military hardware. If your point is that our govt. should open its purse for American gear, shouldn't they be sucking up to us? That's the American way.
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Originally posted by Reason:
The point I am trying to make, and the point that everyone on this side of the spectrum chooses to ignore, is that we need the Americans far more then they need us.

I don't believe that for one minute. Some Canadians fall for that intellectual claptrap.


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Originally posted by nister:
We can do without American military hardware. If your point is that our govt. should open its purse for American gear, shouldn't they be sucking up to us? That's the American way.

Not the way it works now days. And frankly, no we can not make do without American military hardware. Everything made by purely Canadian companies since the Avro Arrow (the only exception being Dinamco) is a complete failure (The wonderful and completely fucked up sop much it did not pass a single trial, and yet was purchased anyways LSVW). With current rules Canadian companies are not motivated to create better gear, they only have to be Canadian. The only reason we got the GWagon is because WesternStar could not meet the bare minimum requirements, and decided not to make an entry (thankfully).


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Originally posted by Cougyr:

I don't believe that for one minute. Some Canadians fall for that intellectual claptrap.


Ok, tell me, in the last 3 months alone, how many jobs were lost when Amercan companies closed out their Canadian plants? How much of our trade goes were?

Our biggest single trading partner currently is the Americans... It is currently too damned expensive to trade with anyone else (travel/distance being the expense). Ignorance of the situation, will not make it better. We rely on the Americans for our trade dependant society.


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We could source Sweden for a coastal navy, and Russia or Britain for helicopters. GPS by Europe, Belgium for small arms..easy peasy.

Canada and the US need each other economically; but we needn't drink their bathwater.


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Originally posted by Reason:
Ok, tell me, in the last 3 months alone, how many jobs were lost when Amercan companies closed out their Canadian plants? How much of our trade goes were?

Our biggest single trading partner currently is the Americans... It is currently too damned expensive to trade with anyone else (travel/distance being the expense).


That's exactly the problem with free trade which always favours the larger, stronger partner. In answer to you, the best thing Canada could do is to get out of NAFTA.


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Originally posted by Cougyr:

That's exactly the problem with free trade which always favours the larger, stronger partner. In answer to you, the best thing Canada could do is to get out of NAFTA.


Best thing for who?! The hundreds of thousands of future unemployed? I'm secure in my job until the government runs out of budget, but as for the rest? What you suggest would have apocalyptic results for everyone, especially for blue collar working class and poor.


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It is definitely a practical problem that the Americans are our major trading partner and that our economy is therefore so closely aligned with theirs.

Apart from encouraging the psychology of supplicants and sycophants among some of us (thankfully, a minority, as polls continue to tell us), deep integration ties us to an economy that is about to implode big-time, and I for one am all in favour of abandoning that leaking ship as soon as possible.

So that leaves us with the question of who we would like as better trading partners. Europe is a no-brainer, except I never get the sense that our FA people are working very hard on that obvious connection. We have made what are IMHO unhappy forays into China - that should obviously become an important relationship, but it is not at the moment being carried out in the right ways, I think. Other suggestions?


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posted 10 March 2006 07:12 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Move.
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Always a last-chance solution.

Some of us might have to. Not a good thought.


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posted 10 March 2006 07:18 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
But when is to late to late?
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Originally posted by Cueball:
But when is to late to late?

According to some in the States, history may be repeating itself with William McKinley era wars of conquest and golden age of industrialism. It may take another 10 or 20 years for them to completely re-introduce laissez-faire capitalism at which point something like 1929 happens again. Socialists will get on soap boxes calling for living wages and organized labour - another dust bowl but with global warming making it world-wide this time. Socialism or barbarism.


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Skdl, so you want to go trade with someone who has no work ethic and thinks the world owes them a living and come up with stuff like this:

Some nursery schools in Oxfordshire, England, have taken offence to classic nursery rhymes like, "Baa Baa Black Sheep" so they're teaching children to sing, "Baa Baa, Rainbow Sheep," instead. The Times of London reports teachers have also dropped the seven dwarfs from the title of "Snow White," and changed the ending of Humpty Dumpty — letting all the king's men put Humpty back together again after all. The manager of two area nursery schools says he's just promoting equal opportunity, saying, "No one should feel pointed out because of their race, gender, or anything else."

I am afraid they are losing it over there. I suggest you get your hate under control and address reality. Scrolling through the whole thread leaves one in awe of the moronic level some segments of our society have sunk to.


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CC, what a comedian you are.
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Cap'n Craig, are you for real ?.
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Whether he is or not, he's plainly rented out his mind, such as it is, to the shouters on Fox News, or their fellow-travellers. "Moonbat", "idiotarian" and other such classics give him away.

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We have to watch the PC TV channels as approved by the CRTC. (We only just got FOX after Al-Jazeera)

Why do you right-wingnuts always trot this one out? It's the equivalent of the Jack-Layton-and-Olivia-Chow-lived-in-subsidized-housing slur, i.e. a lie.

Years ago -- well before al-Jazeera -- the CRTC said Canadian cable systems could carry Fox News. None of them took up the opportunity until recently, is all.

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Originally posted by siren:

How is this, not merged?



The flags are not merged, they are tiled. Canadain Flag tile to the left, American Flag tile to the right.

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. . . I (too) often see some sort of American/Canadian flag merger. . .

From, Our Heritage


Those flags are not merged either, that is some kind of AmeriCanadian fantasy flag, incorporating elements from each, and, as I see it,. an insult to both counties. Fortunately, Canadians have (and Americans still have) the freedom to insult their flags — burn it, take a whiz on it, or make a patchwork quilt out of it, combined with other flags, which is what I take that to be.

That and a thick filling of eider might keep its creator warm, but if you are trying to state that the Lethbridge Herald is some sort of official Canadian government publication, I personally will give you the cold shoulder.

The Lethbridge Herald is as important a Canadian civilian publication as is Ed the Sock’s newsletter.

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Am I the only one who constantly sees this crap on cars?




Again, the flags are not merged, although the staffs are crossed, to indicate some kind of cooperation between both counties.

In your example, on a private citizen’s car, it could correctly indicate that the car in question contains both Canadians and Americans — like perhaps the driver is Canadian and his wife is American . . . or vice versa.


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Originally posted by Capt. Craig:
We can't keep and bear arms in Canada.



Yes we can!

We just need a licence, as we do to own any potentially dangerous piece of equipment, like a car.

Imagine what the roads would be like if the AAA was as manic an organization as the NRA? Nitro burning dragsters would be street legal on Yonge Street.

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We have to watch the PC TV channels as approved by the CRTC. (We only just got FOX after Al-Jazeera)

If you are arguing in favour of wingnut television, you should probably stick to something you can handle, like TeleToon TV.

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I have to be part of the Socialist health care system that is almost third world. (My wife had to wait 9 months for a mammogram)She could get one the next day in the U.S.



Provided she could pay through the nose for it. Otherwise, she might get one included in the autopsy, billed to her next of kin.

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The U.S Food and Drug is more responsible than the Canadian counterpart. Want an example? The U.S wouldn't license Thalidomide while Canada did and then we had the disaster.

Wrong! A more expensive brand of Thalidomide was released in the US.

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The Kefauver-Harris Amendments even created an American thalidomide which caused more birth defects than thalidomide did.

http://tinyurl.com/k4ytz


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Here's what a real Canadian said back in 73: Gordon Sinclair . . .

It was Sinclair’s job to be controversial for five minutes every weekday at noon on CFRB Radio. Many of those shows, and his columns, were eaten up while he railed against Toronto’s fluoridated water. Maybe he did it to keep the yahoos listening to his broadcast, or pehaps he truly was part of the tinfoil hat brigade, but I doubt that here was anyone more surprised than Sinclair, by the play and longevity of that one radio column.

Thirty-three years is rather a long time to clutch a good review. Sort of make the US seem like the equivalent of a ham actor.

Oh, the heck with it, Capt. Craig. Arguing with you will soon qualify me for a tinfoil hat.

[ 10 March 2006: Message edited by: Pyed Typer ]


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Hey I didn't know that about Thalidomide in the states.
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(My wife had to wait 9 months for a mammogram)

If this is true, CC, then that is awful.

She could get one in this city in three days. I realize that that doesn't help people living in some parts of the country, but then the fact that she could pay for one the next day in the U.S. doesn't help her either, does it.


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Typer wrote:

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Wrong! A more expensive brand of Thalidomide was released in the US.


Typer:

That quote you posted is competely out-of-context. The website is a right-wing libertarian oufit, arguing that over-regulation of the American drug industry had led to more birth defects. The writer refers to this situation as "American thalidomide". The term does NOT refer to an actual drug.

[ 10 March 2006: Message edited by: voice of the damned ]


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The Kefauver-Harris Amendments even created an American thalidomide which caused more birth defects than thalidomide did. Since the 1980s, we've known that the B vitamin, folic acid, could prevent about 85% of spina bifida and other neural tube abnormalities if taken in the first couple months of pregnancy. Until the late 1990s, the regulatory power of the Amendments was used by the FDA to stop vitamin manufacturers from advertising folic acid's benefits. Young women could have protected their unborn children with this safe, inexpensive supplement. Instead, thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of American infants have been needlessly born with heart-wrenching deformities. Many more were aborted when pre-natal tests revealed these defects.

We could slash pharmaceutical prices overnight by ending these regulations. We could save people who now die waiting an extra decade for life-saving drugs. We could save our children from a future American thalidomide.


You realize, Typer, that these guys are your ideological opponents, right?

[ 10 March 2006: Message edited by: voice of the damned ]


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Originally posted by Pyed Typer:
The flags are not merged, they are tiled. Canadain Flag tile to the left, American Flag tile to the right.

....................

Those flags are not merged either, that is some kind of AmeriCanadian fantasy flag, incorporating elements from each, and, as I see it,. an insult to both counties. Fortunately, Canadians have (and Americans still have) the freedom to insult their flags — burn it, take a whiz on it, or make a patchwork quilt out of it, combined with other flags, which is what I take that to be.



WT?? Okay, perhaps you are a graphic artist of some sort and therefore privy to specialized language. When 2 entities (such as flags) are shown, not side by side but overlapped, entangled or "a fantasy flag combining elements of both" (US & Can.), I use the word, "merged". Apparently your language is more specialized.

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That and a thick filling of eider might keep its creator warm, but if you are trying to state that the Lethbridge Herald is some sort of official Canadian government publication, I personally will give you the cold shoulder.

The Lethbridge Herald is as important a Canadian civilian publication as is Ed the Sock’s newsletter.



My point was to expand from rici's initial post as to how government organizations present Canada to the world to how some commercial ventures were presenting the "merger" of us and canadian interests with a local example.

Of course I am not suggesting the Herald is any kind of official government publication. Anymore than CC was suggesting Sinclair's 33 year moldy homage to Yankee imperialism was an official canadian statement.

Frankly I take offence to the elitism implied in your statement that small locale publications are somehow unworthy of respect -- as though the people reading them were somehow less worthy of being called Canadian citizens.

I worry less about your cold shoulder than your cold brain.


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Originally posted by voice of the damned:

You realize, Typer, that these guys are your ideological opponents, right?

[ 10 March 2006: Message edited by: voice of the damned ]


Is that relevant as to wether or not the information is correct or not.


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President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan expressed his ‘deep gratitude’ to Fidel Castro for the ‘spirit and compassion’ of the Cuban medical teams —reported to comprise more than 1,000 trained personnel, 44 per cent of them women, who remained to work in remote mountain villages, "living in tents in freezing weather and in an alien culture" after Western aid teams had been withdrawn.

Chomsky on Cuba


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quote:
quote:
Originally posted by voice of the damned:

You realize, Typer, that these guys are your ideological opponents, right?

[ 10 March 2006: Message edited by: voice of the damned ]

Is that relevant as to wether or not the information is correct or not.


Typer said that the Americans "marketted a brand of thalidomide". Anyone reading that would assume that it means an actual drug was marketed that caused birth defects. But what the libertarian webite means is that the situation that came about as a result of de-regulation was comparable to the thalidomide crisis. That is, more American babies were born with birth defects because the FDA was imposing too many regulations on the drug industry, and the libertarians label this siutation "American thalidomide".

So no, Typer's information("a brand of thalidomide") was not correct.

[ 10 March 2006: Message edited by: voice of the damned ]


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Pssst, Frustrated Mess. I think you may have posted on the wrong thread. Just between u and me.
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Originally posted by Reason:

First, for succesful socialism, you would have to drown out greed in the human spirit. How would you propose you do that? Without killing the creative spirit?.


You know what? I agree with you. Seriously. My take is that the human race as a whole has not evolved enough to make socialism work the way it should/could. The sad thing is we are running out of time to evolve. Therefore, what Fidel said:

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Socialism or barbarism.

Indeed.


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Oh the anger, oh the venom, oh the hate! You guys are such a hoot. Little do you realize that quite a number of folks are following this thread and laughing their asses off while saying nothing?

“ Originally posted by Capt. Craig:
We can't keep and bear arms in Canada.
Yes we can!

We just need a licence, as we do to own any potentially dangerous piece of equipment, like a car.

Imagine what the roads would be like if the AAA was as manic an organization as the NRA? Nitro burning dragsters would be street legal on Yonge Street.”

Why should we have to have a licence for a long gun? We came through 400 + years without one?
I'll tell you why! Government control!
Do you know that Hitler was the first to establish gun control in the world!

I carried a 9mm when I lived in Ft. Lauderdale. I had a carry permit and was vetted by the Broward Sheriffs dept. and the FBI.
An off duty cop in Toronto can't even carry his service weapon. There is at least one case I know of that if a TO cop had his weapon a murderer would not have gotten away.

The nitro dragsters on Yonge is really a pathetic attempt at what I don't know, it's just pathetic.

I said: .....
"I have to be part of the Socialist health care system that is almost third world. (My wife had to wait 9 months for a mammogram)She could get one the next day in the U.S."

You said:
Provided she could pay through the nose for it. Otherwise, she might get one included in the autopsy, billed to her next of kin.

WOW! Such ignorance is unbelievable. Anyone without the means can get a Mammogram free. and your slur shows you as someone who cannot reasonably respond with relevant points of fact.

Mammograms are cheap like borscht. Most people have health insurance as well. Just to put things in perspective. Where do the Purveyors of Canada's health care system go for their medical needs?

Pyed, you have been wearing a tinfoil hat it seems for quite some time.

How much time have you spent in the good ole USA?
I’ll put my 14 years experience up against your he said, she said bullshit any day.

Someone earlier talked about how much more freedom we have in Canada because I stated we don't. I forgot about this one.

In the U.S you can put up a sign in front of your shop in whatever language you choose.

In Canada you can't.
Try to put up a sign in English in PQ and you will be fined and the Language police will tear it down.

Furthermore, I have been in 49 of the 50 U.S States. I have been in every western European country and the only place I was told to fuck off and leave was Quebec.

Oh, I forgot, I was not told to leave France but I was told I was not a Canadian because I couldn't speak French and therefore I had to pay more. That didn't happen once. It happened a number of times.

I had a friend who had his motorcycle destroyed in front of a bar in Chicoutimi because he had Ont. plates. The sad part of that story is he was from La Baie.

Ya know, you guys need to get out more, visit the world, I'll bet most of you haven't been outside your respective provinces in your life. I'll also bet that none of you are over 30. I'll also bet that most of you are not self employed. I'll also bet that most of you have no core beliefs. I'll bet that none of you would lay down your life for anyone, not even your mother and don't lie to yourself or me.

Now let's get back to line one!
The web site out of Washingchuck. It has a target audience and it isn't you, you poor holier than thou peacenik who thinks he knows what goes on in the world. It was directed at an audience that appreciates things military. A vast number of Canadians especially the young have no clue as things military were practically expunged from the public conscience since Trudeau. Just so you know and I know that this will come as a shock to some of you. The job of the military is to kill people and break things. Yup, you read that right. Peace keeping is a euphemism; it's a sound good, a feel good word that makes Canadians feel smug and superior, much like the emperor with the new clothes. It must be nice to live in lala land but when the colonic output hits the rotating air moving device you will look like an idiot but we will love you anyway unlike Mohamed who will kill you anyway.


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Little do you realize that quite a number of folks are following this thread and laughing their asses off while saying nothing?

So they found you then? Excellent. You are quite the wonderful example of pastiche. Thanks for that.


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I would expect nothing less than someone who quotes St. Noam
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Captain the offer stands. Iowa for Newfoundland.

Your call.

I'd rather shovel shit in Newfoundland than be a CEO in the states. Serious as a heart attack.

You might get a charity mammogram but try getting a morning after pill in large parts of Iowa. But I suppose you don't believe in that, eh?

So far a bout with a bad gall bladder has caused this family to wrack up $18,000 in medical bills. You're damn right I'm glad I have a good health care plan. 40 million working Americans don't.

And then there's this:

quote:
I'll also bet that most of you have no core beliefs. I'll bet that none of you would lay down your life for anyone, not even your mother and don't lie to yourself or me.

Let me tell you this straight as straight can get and if I could tell you to your face in person, I would: go fuck yourself. Hard. Fast. Thorough. I HAVE CORE VALUES even if you can't understand them. And I would die for my family. You can bank on it. Try this too: when I emigrate to Canada, I would be the first to ask for a rifle if the Americans should ever invade.

So before you call me a peacenik, consider I wore the uniform of the United States Army. Proudly once, believe it or not. I got out and saw the world. I studied, I listened, I learned. And I changed from the ignorant war loving dittohead you are now to someone who understands that an eye for an eye leaves us all blind.

As for this:

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The job of the military is to kill people and break things.

That's one of Limbaugh's original thoughts, such as only he can have what we can call original thoughts.

Look Captain, the United States needs men like you. I'm sure I can help you emigrate. Make it a fair swap - you for me. We'll both be happier where we land up, eh? You can make the world safe for rapacious capitalism at the business end of a rifle. Maybe you can drop bombs on Iraqi civilians and express your goddamn regret about it. That sounds like your speed.


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quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Craig:
... the only place I was told to fuck off and leave was Quebec.

On the contrary, not the only one.

At least, not now.


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I guess I was right about the anger the bile and the hate. I would not want you here in Canada and if I knew who you were I would send a note to innigration to make sure you didn't get in. Part of Canada's problem is the draft dodgers who came here in the late 60's and early 70's. Cretins all.
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quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Craig:
Part of Canada's problem is the draft dodgers who came here in the late 60's and early 70's. Cretins all.

Each one of them is worth ten of you, "Capt." Craig. At least.

As for "anger, bile, and hate," your own first post here included "idiotarians," "moonbats," and "leftoid dingelberries." Well, I suppose you're well qualified to recognize bile, anyway.

[ 10 March 2006: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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Wow. Time for Captain Craig to sail off into the sunset!
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Lance, you have such a way with words. hahahah
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quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Craig:
I guess I was right about the anger the bile and the hate. I would not want you here in Canada and if I knew who you were I would send a note to innigration to make sure you didn't get in. Part of Canada's problem is the draft dodgers who came here in the late 60's and early 70's. Cretins all.

Fuck you, you ignorant asshole. What're you doing here, anyway?


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quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Craig:
I guess I was right about the anger the bile and the hate. I would not want you here in Canada and if I knew who you were I would send a note to innigration to make sure you didn't get in. Part of Canada's problem is the draft dodgers who came here in the late 60's and early 70's. Cretins all.

Quite frankly I'd think you'd be horribly outnumbered on that score. Perhaps you didn't catch the nuance in my post. I'd VOLUNTEER for the CF to defend Canada if attacked once I was there. I'm no fucking "draft dodger" either. And you slander and demean many now fine, upstanding and contributing Canadian citizens who came north to escape serving in a stupid and useless war. Some of those people are here on babble and no doubt can speak for themselves.

Canadian values are NOT American values.


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Originally posted by Américain Égalitaire:
And you slander and demean many now fine, upstanding and contributing Canadian citizens who came north to escape serving in a stupid and useless war.

Here, here! Besides, he's way off the mark. This place has been going down hill at least since Leif Ericson arrived


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Américain Égalitaire

I think you would make a fine Canadian soldier, I would consider it an honour to soldier beside you.


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Don't waste your breath guys, Capt Craig has been removed from the site, which only goes to prove his original thesis. There are fewer freedoms in Canada than in the US. If this site cannot handle the heat from one old war horse, then we are indeed in deep trouble. How pathetic!
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Originally posted by slaveHIS:
Don't waste your breath guys, Capt Craig has been removed from the site, which only goes to prove his original thesis...

Which was what exactly?

Oh, right...

Anger, venom, hate....


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As a final note, can't we finally put Gord's old, tired, dying from flogging horse out to pasture? A Rebuttal to Sinclair's Rant.
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Originally posted by Webgear:
Américain Égalitaire

I think you would make a fine Canadian soldier, I would consider it an honour to soldier beside you.


That's probably the highest compliment I have ever been paid.

Thank you. I would need to drop 40 lbs. and get back on a good PT regimen though. I WAS an expert marksman!

I have nothing but the greatest admiration for the CF throughout history. I think your reasoned participation on these boards has brought you much credit.

As for banning the Captain, well, provocation for provocations sake doesn't make for proper posting behaviour. I think he was just trolling.


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quote:
Originally posted by slaveHIS:
Don't waste your breath guys, Capt Craig has been removed from the site, which only goes to prove his original thesis. There are fewer freedoms in Canada than in the US. If this site cannot handle the heat from one old war horse, then we are indeed in deep trouble. How pathetic!

CC did not visit rabble to engage in discussion; he came here specifically to troll.

This, from his own site:

quote:
Friday, March 10, 2006
Gutless Rabble
I was directed to a Rabble forum by RC and the gist was that Our folks in Washingchuck had no business putting up a website that "glorifies war."
Soooooooooo I went over toRabble and threw out a few verbs and boy did the shit hit the fan. It was fun until I was unceremoniously dumped. It only proved my point about freedoms. Sad sad sad.

Capt. Craig
Location:Conception Bay South, Newfoundland, Canada
Slave owner and hard nosed sob.


I shall miss him not at all, but perhaps CC's faithful slave will carry on the tradition of ignorance.


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quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Craig:
The more I see folks spewing anti American bile the more I think they identify themselves as idiotarians. The U.S is the best friend Canada has and those who don't think so can be identified as ignorant moonbats. I have a crossed flags lapel pin that I wear and am proud to do so. The US has given us far more than we ever gave them and they are not the type of folk who lord it over us like the French who let no good turn go unpunished. We should be paying attention to a lot of their ways instead of heading down the slippery slope of Socialism. Canada is, I'm afraid going to wind up worse off than Brittan as it is our productivity has been in decline. More and more of our brightest are bailing out and heading south because there are greater opportunities and they are appreciated and not taxed to death. The freedoms in the US are far greater than ours and it seems we are loosing more and more every day. Here’s something for the leftoid dingelberries above to think about. No nation has ever defined itself by stating what it isn’t.


Damn, I Missed him. Too bad. I was so impressed with his ability to string together a conservative cliche into every line I was going to ask him for permission to reuse, say for the next time I see a walking-talking sound bite machine. Ah well. Back to reality land.


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Captain Queeg, we reserve the right to slag you in absentia. You're a plagiarist in drips and drabs, and a suckup. You weren't banned, you were dismissed.
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That's ok- I'll take over!
The US has always defended Canada, and what do we do in return? Communists like you racially profile Americans! If it wasn't for them we wouldn't even have freedom of speach. All the social programs that Trudeau shoved down our throats have made Canada a second-rate socialist country that can't even defend our own boarders. Social engineering has made Canada the laughing stock of the world, which knows that they can all come here and get welfare and free health care for years.

*whew!* That was fun!
ETA: like the speling?

[ 11 March 2006: Message edited by: Mush ]


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Well done!

quote:
All the social programs that Trudeau shoved down our throats have made Canada a second-rate socialist country that can't even defend our own boarders.

But at least we can defend our own roomers, ya rightwingnut, ya.

Edit:

You forgot to throw in something about French on the cereal boxes.

[ 11 March 2006: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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Didn't he get you all riled up.

Whether is he was sincere, half sincere with a hint of instigator or serious I could not tell you.

All in all a good laugh.


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posted 11 March 2006 09:48 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by slaveHIS:
Don't waste your breath guys, Capt Craig has been removed from the site, which only goes to prove his original thesis. There are fewer freedoms in Canada than in the US. If this site cannot handle the heat from one old war horse, then we are indeed in deep trouble. How pathetic!

Nice IP. Do you always talk about yourself in the third person?

You're outta here too. And this thread is too long.


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