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jeff house
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posted 01 March 2006 06:40 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you wonder how accurate right-wing US TV is about the rest of the world, check out their view of Canada:

quote:
"if Al Qaeda wanted to get in here [the United States], it's easy," because "they've got all kinds of Muslim crazies up in Canada running around."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200602240004


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cogito ergo sum
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posted 01 March 2006 06:47 PM      Profile for cogito ergo sum     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why, with friends like him who need to worry about enemies?

*sigh*


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faith
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posted 01 March 2006 06:52 PM      Profile for faith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quite the contrast Jeff with your link on evolution ( which I am still working on!).
Why is it when there are terrorist figures described in rightwingers speech, they are always running around? If terrorists live somewhere or walk somewhere does it make them sound too much like the rest of us?
I think I know how O'Reilly gets away with it, he sounds so mind numbingly boring and stupid that listeners get lulled into a stupor listening to him and don't really pay attention.

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posted 01 March 2006 06:52 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm for banning Fox News in Canada, but that'd probably just encourage the bastards.
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Michael Watkins
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posted 01 March 2006 07:03 PM      Profile for Michael Watkins   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of course, even if there were terrorists running around like crazy here in Canada, it'd be US Customs and Border Patrol that lets them into the US.

Seems to me that his angst is pointing at the wrong people.

Or did he just vent "Iraq going bad, lets get out", blow a gasket, have it replaced, fed his meds, slapped silly by the CIA, and is now back on his regular duty (deceiving the public)?


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arborman
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posted 01 March 2006 07:04 PM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
O'Reilly is, I think, a pathological liar, as demonstrated by a number of his shows. Heather Mallick made an utter ass of him when she appeared on his show (of course - intellect and sarcasm defeats shouting and bluster any day).
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eau
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posted 01 March 2006 07:31 PM      Profile for eau        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does the CRTC have any say? A "Muslim crazies" comment might be ok under the US constitution but don't we at least try up here to not consider a particular religion when it comes to crazies?
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radiorahim
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posted 01 March 2006 07:36 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well at least if "our terrorists" are "running around" hopefully they're in very good physical shape and won't be a strain on our socialist commie pinko healthcare system.

American "terrorists" aren't "running around", don't eat right and are probably overweight and they'll all die prematurely of coronary heart disease.

And in good old "free enterprise" USA, they have to rely on private charity to get healthcare...unless one of Bush's friends....oooops ummm errr some Saudi extremist picks up the tab.


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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 01 March 2006 08:05 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Geez, just show up in Montreal and claim asylum. Right. Arstle.

That man should be horsewhipped. Sorry, but he's a boil on the buttocks of mankind.


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Tehanu
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posted 01 March 2006 08:13 PM      Profile for Tehanu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by radiorahim:
Well at least if "our terrorists" are "running around" hopefully they're in very good physical shape and won't be a strain on our socialist commie pinko healthcare system.

Hee hee. Is it bad of me that this prompted a mental image of a terrorist aerobics class?


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BC NDPer
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posted 01 March 2006 08:14 PM      Profile for BC NDPer   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
O'Reilly is a humourless, deceitful SOB. However, our neighbours might think the same about certain Rick Mercer reports, our sports commentators discussing Team USA or our general smugness and disdain for the US (Jesusland anyone?).

Nothing should be banned, rather dialogue should be encouraged. Personally I think we need a North American summit hosted by George Stroumboulopoulos and Tucker Carlson for an airing of grievances.


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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 01 March 2006 08:16 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by BC NDPer:
O'Reilly is a humourless, deceitful SOB. However, our neighbours might think the same about certain Rick Mercer reports, our sports commentators discussing Team USA or our general smugness and disdain for the US (Jesusland anyone?).

Nothing should be banned, rather dialogue should be encouraged. Personally I think we need a North American summit hosted by George Stroumboulopoulos and Tucker Carlson for an airing of grievances.


There aren't enough barf bags in the world to cover that event.

And what's wrong with Rick Mercer? Here's one American who thinks he was just telling it like it is. Of course, down here, I'm a freak, so take that as you will.

[ 01 March 2006: Message edited by: Américain Égalitaire ]


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Diane Demorney
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posted 01 March 2006 08:18 PM      Profile for Diane Demorney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
AND... if they are all running around, maybe we should get them to clean the sidewalks? They might as well be productive whilst doing said running around.
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BC NDPer
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posted 01 March 2006 08:26 PM      Profile for BC NDPer   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Américain Égalitaire:

And what's wrong with Rick Mercer? Here's one American who thinks he was just telling it like it is. Of course, down here, I'm a freak, so take that as you will.
[ 01 March 2006: Message edited by: Américain Égalitaire ]

I love Rick, of course I tend to share more of his views than Bill O'Reilly. I guess what makes me different than some (many?, most?) babblers is that I celebrate differences of opinions and can see how Canadian smuggness can be as annoying to our neighbours as US arrogance is annoying to us.


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anne cameron
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posted 01 March 2006 08:38 PM      Profile for anne cameron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In which case we should all start running around and getting even smugger and more annoying
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otter
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posted 01 March 2006 08:39 PM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Guys like Stern and O'reilly are important media voices. While many people on both sides of the border find the tripe spouted by these infantile males repugnant they, nonetheless, represent relevant segments of our respective populations.

Relevant because we can never advance as societies until such voices become so faint that there is no market left for them to serve. Until then, consider them the starlings in our culture mines warning us of the poisonous rhetoric that still permeates both our cultures.


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faith
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posted 01 March 2006 10:10 PM      Profile for faith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Hee hee. Is it bad of me that this prompted a mental image of a terrorist aerobics class?

lol - camouflage spandex only

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kimmy
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posted 02 March 2006 04:02 PM      Profile for kimmy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by eau:
Does the CRTC have any say? A "Muslim crazies" comment might be ok under the US constitution but don't we at least try up here to not consider a particular religion when it comes to crazies?

What? Why?

I mean, certainly one could go through Babble and find plenty of threads where people discuss knuckleheaded behavior by Christians. Should that also be banned, or should we just recognize that it's not defamatory or hateful to a religion as a whole to acknowledge that there are some kooks among the faithful.

If one wants examples of "Muslim crazies" in Canada, one could look at that dude that tried to smuggle a bomb into Seattle, or the Khadr family, or Younus Kathrada. Rudwan Khalil is now worm-food, but he was a soccer enthusiast before his death, and therefore might well have been, literally, a "Muslim crazy running around up here."

This in no way shows that Canada has a big fat community of terrorist sympathizers or poses a threat to US security or so on. But certainly the comment that there are "all kinds of Muslim crazies running around" here is entirely debateable, and is arguably true, depending how literally one interprets the words "crazy" and "running" and whether one interprets "all kinds" to imply a large number.


I support Bill O'Reilly's right to refer to "Muslim crazies running around" in Canada just as firmly as I support Babblers' rights to slam the latest bad idea from "Pope Johnny the Rat" or creationists.

[ 02 March 2006: Message edited by: kimmy ]


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josh
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posted 02 March 2006 04:12 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Leaving aside how the reference should be classified, to compare a cable televsion station with an internet site is like comparing an elephant with a flea.
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Hephaestion
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posted 02 March 2006 04:29 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by kimmy:

"Pope Johnny the Rat"



*ahem*

It's "Joey the Rat", and I never call him "pope"...

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jeff house
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posted 02 March 2006 04:33 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
But certainly the comment that there are "all kinds of Muslim crazies running around" here is entirely debateable, and is arguably true, depending how literally one interprets the words "crazy" and "running" and whether one interprets "all kinds" to imply a large number.

Yes, we might be able to spin that into a true statement, especially if we were willing to stretch the truth.

"All kinds of " could easily mean three people, in a country of four million square miles and "running around" could refer to people who are in jail or dead. They have exercise classes, don't they?

Oh, and maybe by Muslim "crazies" he meant Muslims who have been diagnosed with schizophrenia!

Yes, that's very convincing. O'Reilly has been maligned.


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kimmy
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posted 02 March 2006 04:43 PM      Profile for kimmy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was not attempting to argue that "Bill O'Reilly is right" or "Bill O'Reilly is a smart guy." I certainly won't be put in the position of trying to argue either of those things; sorry to disappoint anyone who was hoping I might.

I was attempting to express the view that the comments are not without foundation and that attempting to categorize O'Reilly's comments as hate speech is lazy, counterproductive, and sets a dangerous standard.


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jeff house
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posted 02 March 2006 05:10 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree, it's not hate speech. It is political lying.
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posted 02 March 2006 05:13 PM      Profile for Transplant     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jeff house:
I agree, it's not hate speech. It is political lying.

No need to add the word "political," Jeff. If O'Reilly opens his mouth and sound comes out it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that he's lying.


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posted 02 March 2006 05:22 PM      Profile for JPG     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I guess what makes me different than some (many?, most?) babblers is that I celebrate differences of opinions and can see how Canadian smuggness can be as annoying to our neighbours as US arrogance is annoying to us.

Yes, in reality most of us celebrate freedom of speech and would defend it all all costs (note my posts about the whole Mohammed cartoons fiasco).

Nonetheless, I think we've all had moment when we would just like to kick the crap out of the like of O'Reilly, Tucker Carlson, and Ann Coulter (to name just a few).

Edited to add: Hypothetical ass kicking of course, I'm not actually advocating violence against women.

[ 02 March 2006: Message edited by: JPG ]


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nister
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posted 02 March 2006 05:45 PM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We are smug, but only in self-defense.
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posted 02 March 2006 05:53 PM      Profile for Lennonist        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I prefer the term aloof instead of smug when used as a Canadian comparison to US arrogance.
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The Evil Twin
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posted 02 March 2006 07:09 PM      Profile for The Evil Twin     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by Mike Watkins:
quote:
Or did he just vent "Iraq going bad, lets get out", blow a gasket, have it replaced, fed his meds, slapped silly by the CIA, and is now back on his regular duty (deceiving the public)?

I think you're on to something here. It seems that whenever US righties criticize the Bush-Cheney cabal's policies...they soon bash Canada in order to sort of say "see...we're still right-wingers". After Pat Buchanan disparaged the GOP's foreign policy with regards to Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan...he soon came up with his infamous description of Canada as a "Soviet Canuckistan". After Bill O'Reilly questioned the Iraq War, he slams Canada. The newest American Conservative to call the Iraq War a mistake is William F.Buckley....if this pattern holds up, look for plenty of Canada bashing in the next National Review!!!


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He should go back to doing that senationalist crap he did on Inside Edition. Wait a minute....
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Isn't O'Reilly just way too easy to want to attack? There are so many more intelligent right-wingers that should be taken more seriously, Buckley included. I gotta admit, O'Reilly-bashing can be fun (I've done it myself). But is he worth it?

According to Keith Olbermann, his TV rival, the average age of O'Reilly's audience is 68.5 years. Their minds not going to be changed by us no-nothing left-wingers no how. So nothing will come of it, except that he gets more people talking about him (hey, I'm adding to this thread, too).

I'm going to try to practice some restraint, and look for more challenging targets. It probably won't be easy, because I have a certain fascination towards sheer stupidity (oops, I've done it again).


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posted 03 March 2006 10:16 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
If you wonder how accurate right-wing US TV is about the rest of the world, check out their view of Canada:

quote:

"if Al Qaeda wanted to get in here [the United States], it's easy," because "they've got all kinds of Muslim crazies up in Canada running around."


I don't think this attitude is limited to right-wing teledummies such as O'Reilly.

I used to correspond with a friendly guy from Iowa. He'd send me CDs, and cartoons critical of George Bush; I'd send him poutine mix and Betty Boop calendars.

Then the WTC and Pentagon were attacked, and things began to get a bit weird. It started as an imperceptible difference; we talked about the aftermath of the attacks, and what they meant, but after a few weeks he eventually said Muslims were all dangerously violent, terrorists were ready to pour over the border from Canada and that I thought USians deserved to die in the September 11 attacks and that I made fun of their fears.

I gave up after that. He just seemed to go off the deep end of paranoia.

[ 03 March 2006: Message edited by: al-Qa'bong ]


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