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Babbler # 3214

posted 31 October 2003 01:07 PM      Profile for drgoodword   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From The Guardian's Press Review on Iraq today, three neocon opinions on the current situation in Iraq to "balance" out the more negative press excerpts in the same article:

Thomas L Friedman
New York Times, October 30

"There is this notion being peddled by Europeans, the Arab press and the anti-war left that 'Iraq' is just Arabic for Vietnam, and we should expect these kinds of attacks from Iraqis wanting to 'liberate' their country from 'US occupation'. These attackers are the Iraqi Vietcong. Hogwash... They are the Iraqi Khmer Rouge - a murderous band of Saddam loyalists and al-Qaida nihilists, who are not killing us so Iraqis can rule themselves. They are killing us so they can rule Iraqis...

"What the people who blew up the Red Cross and the Iraqi police fear... is that we're going to permanently change Iraq... They understand that this is the most radical-liberal revolutionary war the US has ever launched - a war of choice to install some democracy in the heart of the Arab-Muslim world."

Richard Cohen
Washington Post, October 30

"While the similarities with Vietnam are always worth noting, the differences may be more important. Among them is the nature of the insurgency. The Vietnamese independence movement was both long-standing and widespread... That cannot be said about whoever is behind the Iraq terrorist attacks - bitter-end Ba'athists or Islamic zealots taking a shortcut to heaven. Neither embodies Iraqi national aspirations...

"In a way, Vietnam was not 'Vietnam' either. The communist victory did not precipitate a falling of dominoes all across Asia. In fact, it hardly mattered... [Iraq] is much more important... If there is anything to the latter-day domino theory that the Bush administration propounded - a democratic Iraq would be emulated throughout the Middle East - then its converse must also be true: the failure to establish some sort of civic regime in Iraq would also have consequences throughout the Middle East...

"Finally, where Iraq is really different from Vietnam: there can be no premature, chaotic and shameful withdrawal. In the end, Vietnam didn't matter. Iraq does."

Ralph Peters
New York Post, October 29

"Iraq another Vietnam? Hell, even Vietnam wasn't the Vietnam of leftwing baby-talk politics and campus political astrology... There is only one way in which the situation in Iraq resembles Vietnam: our enemies realise that they can't win militarily. This is a contest of wills much more than a contest of weapons. The terrorists intend to wear us down.

"Our enemies are employing media-genic bombings to leap over our soldiers and influence our political leaders and our elections - just as the Vietnamese did. The suicide bombers themselves are deluded madmen, but the men behind the terror campaign calculate that, if they can just maintain a sufficient level of camera-friendly attacks, our military successes and all the progress of our reconstruction efforts will be eclipsed by a mood of dejection in Washington. If the terrorists turn out to be right, the butcher's bill in the coming years and decades will be vastly higher than the casualty count in Iraq."

When I read things like this in the light of all that has happened and all that is now public knowledge about Bush/Blair's Iraq invasion, I have to wonder whether these people actually believe what they write, and whether I find the negative answer to that question more saddening that the affirmative.

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Mr. Magoo
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posted 31 October 2003 01:14 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Snopes has a funny piece (one of their more rare "true" bits) about the Iraq boondoggle and Bush Sr.'s take on it in his memoirs.
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posted 31 October 2003 01:32 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post
Here's a Canadian contribution to the neo-con apologia, from none other than the Globe's Marcus Gee (-willikers). I'm pretty sure he got a B+ on it, as it shows a lot of perceptive analysis and insight for a precocious grade-8 student.
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jeff house
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posted 31 October 2003 09:02 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Unfortunately for them, Iraq is not Vietnam. The Viet Cong guerrillas who fought the Americans in Vietnam were part of a broad-based nationalist movement that traced its beginnings as far back as 1919. The guerrillas fighting Americans in Iraq now are the remnants of Saddam Hussein's regime, with suspected support from foreign terrorists.

I sm always amazed that North American journalists know precisely who it is who is shooting at American soldiers in Iraq. Certainly the soliders do not generally know, since the attackers so often fade away into the darkness...

Secondly, I am not so sure that Saddam's regime itself was not part of a "broad-based national resistance movement which traced its roots back to 1919."

The Arab resistance to the Ottoman occupation arose at the end of World War One. It continued under British occupation, and to some extent, was encapsulated in the various regimes which followed independence.

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posted 01 November 2003 04:38 AM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I sm always amazed that North American journalists know precisely who it is who is shooting at American soldiers in Iraq.

That's easy. They know it's true, Because Bush Says So.


(Life's simple when you're a commissar, isn't it?)

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