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Adam T
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posted 15 October 2008 05:33 PM      Profile for Adam T     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
While no sitting M.P ministers were defeated, former Senator Michael Fortier failed in his bid to get into the House and 3 ministers (David Emerson, Monte Solberg and Loyola Hearn retired).


Senior ministry only
1.Prime Minister Stephen Harper
2.Finance Jim Flaherty
3.Treasury Board Vic Toews
4.Industry Lawrence Cannon
5.International Trade James Moore
6.Labour Jean Pierre Blackburn
7.Revenue Gordon O'Conner
8.Natural Resources Gary Lunn
9.Agriculture Ted Menzies
10.Fisheries and Oceans Gail Shea
11.Environment John Baird
12.Heritage Christian Paradis
13.Transport Daniel Petit
14.Government Services Josee Verner
15.Health Tony Clement
16.Human Resources/Social Development Lynne Yelich
17.Immigration and Citizenship Diane Finley
18.Indian and Northern Affairs, Chuck Strahl
19.Intergovernmental Affairs, Rona Ambrose
20.Veteran's Affairs Greg Thompson
21.Defence, Peter McKay
22.International Development Bev Oda
23.Foreign Affairs Jim Prentice
24.Solicitor General and Public Safety Stockwell Day
25.Attorney General Rob Nicholson
26.Government House Leader Peter Van Loan

Summary
1.Josee Verner is punished for her obvious bad advice on the culture cuts and demoted from Heritage

2.Jim Prentice moves to Foreign Affairs

3.Lawrence Cannon moves into Industry to give a Quebecer a senior industrial portfolio

4.Gerry Ritz is dropped

5.James Moore, Daniel Petit, Gail Shea, Lynne Yelich and Ted Menzies are the new ministers.

6.I don't think Michael Fortier will be reappointed to cabinet.

7.I don't think Leona Aglukkaq will be appointed to the senior cabinet, but I would expect her to get a junior portfolio, something like 'Arctic Sovereignty'.


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Now that PEI has a Cons elected and none from NFLD wouldn't he be an automatic choice given regional consideration are always a factor in cabinet make-ups.
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She, actually. Gail Shea is the only Tory MP from PEI, a former provincial cabinet minister, and did I mention female? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Adam has her at Fisheries which is certainly a likely possibility. If Harper doesn't want to give her anything too hefty at first, he might give Fisheries to one of his B.C. MPs and start Shea off with something like ACOA.

I don't think we'll see a major shakeup but I expect Harper will do more than just replace the retiring/defeated ministers. He'll move some people around, clean out some of the deadwood and bring some new people in. There will be pressure on him to beef up the Ontario ranks in cabinet and this will give him an opportunity to show underperforming ministers like Oda and O'Connor the door. Peter Kent will get something reasonably high-profile as one of their newly-elected GTA MPs. Lisa Raitt will be in cabinet for sure. Harper probably needs another minister from southwestern Ontario to round things out - Dave Mackenzie seems a likely candidate. Guergis will probably get a full portfolio, especially if Oda gets the boot.

I've never heard of Daniel Petit. If he didn't make the cut last time I don't see why he would this time, and in any event, Stephen Blaney seems a more likely new Quebec face in the cabinet. I would not be surprised to see Bernier return to cabinet in something more low-profile like National Revenue or Labour. Blackburn seems to have stayed out of trouble in the first term, he'll probably get promoted to something heftier. Verner will get demoted. Cannon will get a promotion.

Ritz certainly deserves to be gone but Harper hates to admit mistakes. Ritz might survive for now but get culled at the next cabinet shuffle. Lynne Yelich seems like his most likely replacement. I agree that Ted Menzies seems like the most likely pick of the rural Alberta MPs and I would be shocked if James Moore didn't get a full portfolio. The departure of Emerson opens room for Moore and Harper may even add a minister from B.C. If Harper's looking for completely new faces (as in just elected this election) Shelley Glover seems like a possible future star for them. Aside from Shea, Glover, Raitt and Kent there don't seem to be a lot of obvious prospects among the "Class of 2008" but I'm sure babblers will let me know if I've overlooked anyone.

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This line-up ignores something Harper is all too well aware of.

The last parliament was "dysfunctional" in his eyes, even though the Bloc was often hostile, but the Bloc was semi-manageable because its mandate was only to vote for Quebec, so there was no unified group of MPs to the left of the Conservatives.

This parliament is even worse. The Bloc MPs were elected with a mandate to stop this "very-right-wing Harper government."

Harper must move to the centre. Not his first choice, but he can see what he has to do.

So the new cabinet will be a whole new look.

You heard it first here.

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posted 15 October 2008 07:11 PM      Profile for Lord Palmerston     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What will Peter Kent get?
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Lonely, frustrated, and muzzled.
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Bumping. Does it not strike anyone else as odd that with a Throne Speech expected within a month, there has been no talk of the new Cabinet?
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I have a feeling Indian and Northern Affairs will either go to Leona Aglukkaq from Nunavut or Rod Bruinooge from Winnipeg South. I think it might be better public relations if the person who held this position was either aboriginal or from the north.

And I don't think anyone is going to be stupid enough to trust Bernier with anything ever again.

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posted 20 October 2008 06:28 AM      Profile for skarredmunkey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by genstrike:
And I don't think anyone is going to be stupid enough to trust Bernier with anything ever again.[ 20 October 2008: Message edited by: genstrike ]
Never underestimate the stupidity of Conservatives. Besides, the Tories only have a small Quebec caucus. If Bernier is not back soon, he'll be back later in a reshuffle.

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posted 20 October 2008 06:45 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by ghoris:
Does it not strike anyone else as odd that with a Throne Speech expected within a month, there has been no talk of the new Cabinet?

Watch for the unexpected:

Gerald Keddy

Rodney Weston or Keith Ashfield, both former provincial cabinet ministers in New Brunswick, both from urban ridings.

Any other moderates people can point to? Would Lisa Raitt qualify?


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posted 20 October 2008 07:41 AM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'd bet on Raitt for a Cabinet Secretary post in industry.

She knocked off Turner, brought a riding back to the party, is female, photogenic and has a solid track record with the Toronto Port Authority.


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posted 20 October 2008 07:50 AM      Profile for jrootham     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That "solid track record" at the TPA is more corrupt and incompetent than the adscam affair.
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quote:
Originally posted by skarredmunkey:
Never underestimate the stupidity of Conservatives. Besides, the Tories only have a small Quebec caucus. If Bernier is not back soon, he'll be back later in a reshuffle.

I know they have a small Quebec caucus, but I think they have at least some people who haven't proven themselves to be more incompetent than Bernier, especially with Couillard's new book out with juicy details for anyone who cares.

I mean, sure, we on babble probably don't like any of the cabinet ministers, but Bernier's incompetence transcends political boundaries

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Far be it from me to boost Conservatives, but I would add as potential 'stars' from the class of 2008 a few more from the west (haven't looked over the Conservatives anything further than that).

B.C
1.North Vancouver, Andrew Saxton, an investment banker. Described as a moderate. The Liberals didn't lose here by much this time around, so this riding could swing back though.

2.Vancouver Island North, John Duncan. Not a newcomer. Was reportedly in line to get Natural Resources but was unexpectedly defeated in 2006, this opened the door to that idiot Gary Lunn. Anybody would be a step up from Lunn in that portfolio, though I'd be surprised if Duncan replaced him now.

Saskatchewan
1.Palliser, Ray Boughen. The former mayor of Moose Jaw and now a school trustee. An education consultant who wrote a report on education for the then provincial NDP government.


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I'd bet on Bob Dechert getting something. He's from Mississauga so boosts the GTA ranks, has been active in conservative politics for a long time and is an international trade lawyer so he could even wind up in the trade portfolio. if Cannon gets moved, Lisa Raitt could be good at transportation. I've read somewhere that Clement wants out of health and covets foreign affairs. He didn't screw up too badly in health and there aren't a lot of heavyweights who could move to foreign affairs so he may take it.
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I don't see how anybody can be added to the cabinet from Ontario without decreasing the representation of some other province, and I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think Harper will increase the size of the senior cabinet. Certainly he may add to the number of junior ministers, possibly significantly.
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Great. Milhouse van Houten on the world stage.

It sounds like Jason Kenney is in line for a promotion - most likely Citizenship and Immigration. A lot of Tories feel he has done yeoman's service for the party doing outreach to various ethnic and cultural communities and it is now paying off big time. Of course, that would leave Harper with three full ministers from Calgary and one junior minister, and would pretty much spell the end of Diane Ablonczy getting anything more substantial. Rural Alberta might not like getting deprived of a seat at the cabinet table but the leading lights are all in Calgary and Edmonton. Bob Mills and Monte Solberg were really the only obvious cabinet choices from rural Alberta in the last Parliament, and Solberg almost didn't make it in.


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posted 20 October 2008 04:07 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:

This parliament is even worse. The Bloc MPs were elected with a mandate to stop this "very-right-wing Harper government."

That doesn't mean they actually will. The dirty not-so-secret of the Bloc is that they pretty much agree with the Conservatives on what the federal government should be doing - that is, not much.


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posted 20 October 2008 10:40 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Adam T:

Saskatchewan
1.Palliser, Ray Boughen. The former mayor of Moose Jaw and now a school trustee. An education consultant who wrote a report on education for the then provincial NDP government.

Boughen's report was about educational governance and taxation, not about education per se. I do not believe he was an educator IIRC.


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quote:
Originally posted by ghoris:

It sounds like Jason Kenney is in line for a promotion - most likely Citizenship and Immigration.

I wouldn't be completely shocked to see Kenney in Foreign Affairs. He's the smartest guy in caucus.


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Watch for the unexpected:

Gerald Keddy


I can't even imagine it... Keddy is a consummate backbencher. I wonder if getting a small position in cabinet would help keep him afloat against the NDP in the next election? That might be the thinking but who knows what a little time in the spotlight would do for him; personally I think he'd embarrass himself if he stepped out of the shadows so maybe it'd be a good thing... for the NDP.


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Any guesses on which urban Liberal MP from Toronto, Montreal and/or Vancouver Harper will recruit to cabinet this time?
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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
Any guesses on which urban Liberal MP from Toronto, Montreal and/or Vancouver Harper will recruit to cabinet this time?

Doesn't really need to. While he was still shut out in Montreal (which is a big loss for them and I don't see him bringing back Fortier), the tories amde gains in teh Vancouver and Toronto areas.


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quote:
Originally posted by Star Spangled Canadian:
... I've read somewhere that Clement wants out of health and covets foreign affairs. He didn't screw up too badly in health....

uh, ever heard of listeriosis? 20 dead so far if i recall.


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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
Any guesses on which urban Liberal MP from Toronto, Montreal and/or Vancouver Harper will recruit to cabinet this time?

Maurizio Bevilacqua.


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Originally posted by farnival:

uh, ever heard of listeriosis? 20 dead so far if i recall.


Yeah, but that wasn't necessarily Clement's fault. or at least he didn't take a big hit in public opinion for it. Gerry Ritz screwed up in that area royally which is why he'll almost certainly be dropped. Not too familiar with who else they have in Saskatchewan so no idea who would repalce him in cabinet from the province.


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not his fault????????????? he's the freakin' HEALTH MINISTER!!!!!!

Ritz as Ag Minister lowered the reporting and inspection standards and caused a national health emergency, and where was Clement?

At the Democratic convention in the states, making stupid comments at the dinner he was at about it.

coincidentally, he was in Harris' cabinet during Walkerton, another deregulation fiasco, and was cited by the WHO as one of main problems during the SARS outbreak.

Clement himself is a health hazard. it's hard "to take a hit" in the media when you are either unavailable, invisible, or out of the country. and you call that success?

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Conservative Cabinet Predictions:

1.Prime Minister: Adolph Hitler
2.Finance: Idi Amin
3.Treasury: Pol Pot
4.Industry: Ivan the Terrible
5.International Trade: Vlad the Impaler
6.Labour: Josef Stalin
7.Revenue: Maximilien Robespierre
8.Natural Resources: Ayotollah Khomein
9.Agriculture: Atilla The Hun
10.Fisheries and Oceans: Leopold II of Belgium
11.Environment: Robert Mugabe
12.Heritage: Slobodan Milosevic
13.Transport: Benito Mussolini
14.Government Services
15.Health: Jack the Ripper
16.Human Resources/Social Development: Mao
17.Immigration and Citizenship: Tamarlane
18.Indian and Northern Affairs: Nicolae Ceausescu
19.Defence: Henry Kissinger


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From the GTA:

Some or all of:

Bob Dechert, Mississauga-Erindale

Lisa Raitt, Halton

Peter Kent, Thornhill

Lois Brown, Newmarket-Aurora

Terence Young, Oakville

Paul Calandra, Oak-Ridges Markham. Who? Chief of Staff to Ontario MPP Steve Gilchrist, the four-month wonder cabinet minister in 1999, from 1995 to 2003. During that time he ran in Gilchrist's Scarborough riding as Alliance candidate in 2000. Later, his two sisters sued him, claiming he had used a revoked power of attorney to take out a $240,000 mortgage on their mother’s Ballantrae farm, wrote a $25,000 cheque to himself and charged a total of $7,800 on one of their mother’s charge cards without her knowledge or consent.

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Originally posted by RonaldReagan:
Conservative Cabinet Predictions:

1.Prime Minister: Adolph Hitler
2.Finance: Idi Amin
3.Treasury: Pol Pot
4.Industry: Ivan the Terrible
5.International Trade: Vlad the Impaler
6.Labour: Josef Stalin
7.Revenue: Maximilien Robespierre
8.Natural Resources: Ayotollah Khomein
9.Agriculture: Atilla The Hun
10.Fisheries and Oceans: Leopold II of Belgium
11.Environment: Robert Mugabe
12.Heritage: Slobodan Milosevic
13.Transport: Benito Mussolini
14.Government Services
15.Health: Jack the Ripper
16.Human Resources/Social Development: Mao
17.Immigration and Citizenship: Tamarlane
18.Indian and Northern Affairs: Nicolae Ceausescu
19.Defence: Henry Kissinger


Ha ha.


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I have a feeling Indian and Northern Affairs will either go to Leona Aglukkaq from Nunavut or Rod Bruinooge from Winnipeg South.

Even Harper is not idiotic enough to appoint Bruinooge to Cabinet, esp not to Indian Affairs Bruinooge's questioning of former Paul Martin on the Kelowna Accord was borderline racist and one of the most offensive moments of the last Parliament. Vic Toews is the Manitoba rep to Cabinet and I don't think Harper needs to have another rep for that province.


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James Moore, Daniel Petit, Gail Shea, Lynne Yelich and Ted Menzies are the new ministers.

Moore is already in Cabinet as a Sec of State for Official Languages and should get a promotion. Petit is probably the least impressive of the Tory MPs from Quebec, and I include Bernier in this judgment. Petit will stay on the backbench and Mad Max will get a minor portfolio like Tourism and will never be heard from again. Shea is a shoo-in and Yelich would make sense as the Sask cabinet rep.


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Rodney Weston or Keith Ashfield, both former provincial cabinet ministers in New Brunswick, both from urban ridings

One of these will get in and may bump Greg Thompson, who isn't exactly setting the world on fire at Veterans' Affairs.

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B.C
1.North Vancouver, Andrew Saxton, an investment banker. Described as a moderate. The Liberals didn't lose here by much this time around, so this riding could swing back though.

2.Vancouver Island North, John Duncan. Not a newcomer. Was reportedly in line to get Natural Resources but was unexpectedly defeated in 2006, this opened the door to that idiot Gary Lunn. Anybody would be a step up from Lunn in that portfolio, though I'd be surprised if Duncan replaced him now.


Duncan won't go to Natural Resources but would be a decent pick for Fisheries with Hearn having retired. It's a swing seat and Harper will put Duncan, a proven performer and returning veteran MP, in Cabinet if he's smart. Lunn will likely stay at Natural Resources. I think Alice Wong from Richmond is a sure bet to get Cabinet, Saxton will need to wait his turn.


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if Cannon gets moved, Lisa Raitt could be good at transportation. I've read somewhere that Clement wants out of health and covets foreign affairs. He didn't screw up too badly in health and there aren't a lot of heavyweights who could move to foreign affairs so he may take it.

I definitely see Raitt at Transport and Communities with Cannon to either Foreign Affairs or Industry. Ablonczy deserves a senior ministry like Health, and Clement could go to Industry or perhaps to Environment if Harper wants to moderate his approach to climate change (we can only hope!)


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Gaawwwd, what a rinky-dink bunch of nobodies make up the Conservative Party. My predictions are that Diane Ablonczy will get a cabinet position; John Baird will go to Foreign Affairs; Greg Thomspon is out; and British Columbia will be heavily rewarded.

I'm interested in how Harper is going to handle being shut out of Newfoundland and Labrador. Will he appoint this nobody to some lame portfolio, or will he appoint a familiar face to the Senate? Or more likely, will one of these lackies oversee matters pertaining to that most rambunctious of provinces?


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I heard David Emerson on TV yesterday arguing that the Conservative campaign in BC was a success in getting seats closer to the City of Vancouver: John Weston in West Van, Andrew Saxton in North Van, Alice Wong in Richmond.

At least one new minister there.


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I've also heard that David emerson is goign to be the next ambassador to the United States.
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Originally posted by Star Spangled Canadian:I've also heard that David emerson is goign to be the next ambassador to the United States.

Hey, this triggered me to think about Harper's wanting to put the US Ambassador into the HoC. What will he do/say about this when Obama wins?

And for that matter who would Obama pick as Ambassador to Canada? Bill Clinton?


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Originally posted by remind:

And for that matter who would Obama pick as Ambassador to Canada? Bill Clinton?

Bill would probably jump at that opportunity if it would get him away from Hillary.


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And for that matter who would Obama pick as Ambassador to Canada? Bill Clinton?
I doubt it. Probably another low-life Governor and Obama loyalist (or McCain loyalist if he wins) from some state that has no interest in Canada-US relations yet someone who is still not above telling the Canadian government what their policies should be and how to behave.

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Originally posted by remind:
Hey, this triggered me to think about Harper's wanting to put the US Ambassador into the HoC. What will he do/say about this when Obama wins?

I think Harper wanted the ambassador to be a member of Cabinet. The Americans have given "cabinet-level rank" to their UN Ambassadors and Trade Representatives in the past.


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Originally posted by West Coast Lefty:
Even Harper is not idiotic enough to appoint Bruinooge to Cabinet, esp not to Indian Affairs Bruinooge's questioning of former Paul Martin on the Kelowna Accord was borderline racist and one of the most offensive moments of the last Parliament.

Bruinooge is already the Parliamentary Secretary. I agree with you that he is a crappy MP, but they don't have a lot of decent talent in Winnipeg. He does serve a position as a token Metis person in the Harper government though.


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Hey I over looked this before, has anyone got a link?
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Bruinooge's questioning of former Paul Martin on the Kelowna Accord was borderline racist and one of the most offensive moments of the last Parliament.

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Former Justice Minister Vic Toews, a proponent of traditional family values and a foe of gay rights since he was first elected in 1995, recently got himself embroiled in a messy divorce after he fathered an out-of-wedlock child with another woman.
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Prior to the election, he mailed a mea culpa to his hometown paper, the Steinbach Carillon.

"Every day, every situation and every decision brings choices as to which path to take," he wrote. "Most times I believe that we choose the correct path; however, as human beings we will sometimes choose incorrectly. I am no exception and I take full responsibility for the decisions I make." Despite the Christian leanings of most of his constituents, the good people of Provencher riding decided to forgive Toews his sins. However, many people expect that his political path will soon lead to a highly coveted judicial appointment, so that Harper can rid himself of the two-timing president of the Treasury Board.

Candice Hoeppner, the newly elected MP for the southern Manitoba riding of Portage-Lisgar, was outed by the Winnipeg Free Press as "a skilled party strategist and social conservative." Already, speculation is buzzing that she'll land in Harper's cabinet sooner rather than later. Why? She's smooth. . .

If newly elected Candice Hoeppner doesn't replace Toews in cabinet, the next most likely candidate is Winnipeg-area MP Joy Smith.

Another Manitoba Tory MP who's rising in the ranks is Winnipeg South rep Rod Bruinooge. A proud fundamentalist Christian, he gained notoriety for embracing an endorsement by the Campaign Life Coalition and speaking out against Henry Morgentaler's recent Order of Canada award. . . he proceeded to explain that he was against equal rights for queers and that nothing would change his mind.

Finally, the new Tory wildcard in Manitoba is Shelly Glover, elected for the first time in the Winnipeg riding of St Boniface. A 19-year veteran of the Winnipeg police force, Constable Glover announced on election night that her win was a "victory for justice."



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I'm surprised to see this article was written by Kaj Hasselriis because at first blush it appeared to have been written by someone who is clueless about the Manitoba political scene.

First, he seems to to think that Manitoba has 15 MPs and that 10 Tories were elected.

Second, the Toews gossip is old news in Manitoba. Vic's marriage has been on the rocks for years. There was even gossip to the effect in his 1995 provincial campaign. The media in Manitoba basically steered clear of reporting on the pregnancy issue but it was fairly widely known, at least in political circles.

Third, Vic got appointed to cabinet in 2006 because he was one of the precious few in the Tory ranks who had actual cabinet experience, not because he was a Bible beater. If Harper is smart he will consolidate his party's gains in Winnipeg by appointing someone like Fletcher or Glover over someone like Hoeppner. Smith is, to put it as politely as I can, not that bright, and doesn't belong anywhere near the cabinet table, and I'm sure a lot of Tories know this. Bruinooge is probably in the mix, but I think Harper knows he'd just be asking for trouble with that pick. Time will tell.


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Advance leaked predictions in the Globe and CTV had Shelly Glover in cabinet. What happened?
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Originally posted by ghoris:
If Harper is smart he will consolidate his party's gains in Winnipeg by appointing someone like Fletcher or Glover over someone like Hoeppner.

Or both, eh?
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Originally posted by ghoris:
If Harper's looking for completely new faces (as in just elected this election) Shelley Glover seems like a possible future star for them. Aside from Shea, Glover, Raitt and Kent there don't seem to be a lot of obvious prospects among the "Class of 2008" but I'm sure babblers will let me know if I've overlooked anyone.

Gold star, except for missing Leona Aglukkaq and Keith Ashfield, and including Glover.
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Originally posted by skarredmunkey:
My predictions are that . . . British Columbia will be heavily rewarded.

They lost David Emerson to retirement, and he was replaced by . . . no one.

As noted above, a week ago I heard Emerson on TV arguing that the Conservative campaign in BC was a success in getting seats closer to the City of Vancouver: John Weston in West Van, Andrew Saxton in North Van, Alice Wong in Richmond.

At least one new minister there, I thought I could hear Emerson saying.

I guess I was wrong. I doubt Emerson is pleased.

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Prentice is Environment and we're going to have to run like hell to keep up with him!

Why?

Because he speaks of environment and economics as "two sides of the same coin."

I'll buy the evening's beer for any individual who can show me that that is not new ground for them (for us, too, matter of fact...vague talk about building wind turbines in Canada notwithstanding).


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posted 30 October 2008 04:41 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by George Victor:
Prentice is Environment and we're going to have to run like hell to keep up with him!

Why?

Because he speaks of environment and economics as "two sides of the same coin."

I'll buy the evening's beer for any individual who can show me that that is not new ground for them (for us, too, matter of fact...vague talk about building wind turbines in Canada notwithstanding).


Prentice is very sane and has the trust of Harper, I think this will be one of the better appointments.

You better hope global capitalism can fix environmental issues, because capitalism is the only game in town.


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You better hope global capitalism can fix environmental issues, because capitalism is the only game in town.


That became the case two decades back, but if it's written in stone, I'm going to drink that beer myself - and just stay drunk.


What a horrible, horrible prospect. Declining Earth resources and Homo economicus to the end. You sure know how to cheer a fella.


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posted 30 October 2008 08:15 PM      Profile for genstrike   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by 500_Apples:

You better hope global capitalism can fix environmental issues, because capitalism is the only game in town.

Exactly why we need to make a new game


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