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Oppo-Guy
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posted 17 January 2007 01:36 PM      Profile for Oppo-Guy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Mainstream media couldn't get enough of Dion's Toronto Board of Trade speech yesterday about how business can make money from environmental leadership.

If Liberals talking about making Canada a green industry powerhouse doesn't sound like news to you, you aren't alone:

Canadian Politics from the Left explains why.

The Liberals always campaign on the environment in opposition.


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Malcolm
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posted 17 January 2007 09:34 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
According to the Liberals and their pretendy lefty apologists, Rona Ambrose was a failure as Environment Minister because, in 11 months, all she accomplished was to introduce the badly flawed Clean Air Act. Stephane Dion, on the other hand, was a giant success as Environment Minister because, in 19 months, he accomplished nothing at all.

Well, I'll agree with the first part. Rona Ambrose was no screaming success.

In fact, she was almost as ineffective as Stephane Dion.


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Boom Boom
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posted 17 January 2007 09:48 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
At least Dion won international agreement to extend the Kyoto protocol beyond 2012 at the Conference on Climate Change in Montreal.
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sgm
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posted 17 January 2007 10:18 PM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Climate Change conference agreement was a good thing, but among Stephane Dion's other 'accomplishments' during his tenure as Martin's environment minister must also be numbered his quiet reassurances to Alberta's Lorne Taylor in the summer of 2004 that Kyoto was effectively a dead letter, according to an August column by the National Post's Don Martin (hard copy only, sorry):
quote:
"They can't back away entirely from Kyoto and I can understand that. But Stephane [Dion] clearly said he could not do anything nor would Martin do anything which would damage the economy. I said' Well, you know that means you can't meet 2010 or 2012 timelines,' and he did not disagree with me. So they're saying the right things. If they live up to that, it's positive."

In fact, people who think Dion's talk of a green 'industrial revolution' is something new and noteworthy should have a look at his maiden speech to the Calgary Chamber of Commerce in September of 2004, as reported in the Globe (sub-only, sorry):

quote:
CALGARY -- Stéphane Dion has proposed a vague series of consultations with industry and the public on environmental and economic matters but the Environment Minister offered no timeline as to when the government will take concrete action on issues such as Kyoto.

Visiting the heart of Canada's oil patch yesterday to make his first speech in the portfolio, Mr. Dion outlined a general approach at a breakfast speech in Calgary, saying that a "new industrial revolution" is happening, one in which environmental sustainability is the foundation of economic growth.

Despite the lack of specifics, the speech was warmly received by oil industry representatives, who for years were at odds with former environment minister David Anderson. Mr. Dion preached a collaborative approach and wore an "I love Alberta beef" sticker on his jacket.


Replacing the sticker with a green scarf doesn't mean much in practical terms.

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Malcolm
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posted 18 January 2007 10:33 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
At least Dion won international agreement to extend the Kyoto protocol beyond 2012 at the Conference on Climate Change in Montreal.

So what?

With the Liberals, there was no way we'd reach the targets - or even be approaching the targets - by 2012. Willikers, he managed to extend the life of an agreement he was ignoring.

Do Nothing Dion is just mouthing pretty words and waiting for the gullible to believe that (for the first time in history) a Liberal might actually mean what he says.


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Oppo-Guy
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posted 19 January 2007 08:08 AM      Profile for Oppo-Guy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
More revelations from the "greatest federal Environment Minister of all time" (TM) . . .

From today's Ottawa Citizen:

quote:
Dion denies knowing about oilsands plan

Federal Liberal leader Stephane Dion says he knew nothing about a plan to massively expand production in the Alberta oilsands to meet the demand in the U.S., even though discussions on speeding up the regulatory review process were launched by former prime minister Paul Martin when Mr. Dion was the environment minister.

The plan encouraged decision-makers "to streamline the regulatory approval process" with a "one-stop-shop" for project proposals and facilitate a "fivefold" expansion of oil production in Alberta from one million to five million barrels a day.


Given the choice of carrying the label "opportunist" or "incompetent", Dion has chosen the later.

Well, it seemed to have worked for the witnesses at the Gomery Inquiry!


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 19 January 2007 08:35 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm French, APR:
According to the Liberals and their pretendy lefty apologists, Rona Ambrose was a failure as Environment Minister...

But, despite what they say about her now, when the Liberals had a chance to vote for an NDP motion that would have seen the Environment Committee call for Ambrose's resignation, they chose to abstain. They said, and I'm not joking here, that they wanted the Canadian Public to have more time to see just how incompetent she was.

In fact, any time that the Liberals have the opportunity to work with the other opposition parties and accomplish something, they tend to back off. For example, when Jack Layton first suggested rewriting the Hot Air Act, the Liberals decided that they'd rather have no progress made on climate change so that they could use that lack of progress to campaign against the Conservatives. Nice priorities, eh?


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Québécois in the North
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posted 19 January 2007 09:18 AM      Profile for Québécois in the North     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I once met with Stephane Dion when he was the Environment minister.

Because of his position I couldn't help but to ask him about the arseniq. In Yellowknife, y'know, we have the largest and the second largest arseniq waste deposits in North America. So it's kinda like a concern.

Because the Law is so kind with our gentle job providers, the feds and not the industry are responsible for cleaning that industrial mess.

So I ask Dion what he would do about it. He did not knew the issue, he told me, but he would learn.

Strangely, he happened to be in Yellowknife... to make announcements about the arseniq at Giant Mine.

Did somebody say 'puppet'?


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JimmyRiddle
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posted 23 January 2007 06:42 AM      Profile for JimmyRiddle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well I'm glad to see at least some Canadians refuse to be hoodwinked by those Say-Anything Liberals.

Fool me once, shame on them; fool me twice, shame on me etc...

How Dion can look at himself in the mirror and lie to Canadians about the Liberals' absolute failure on the environment is breathtaking.

NorthernBCdipper has a good summation of the hypocrisy and audacity here:
http://nbcdipper.blogspot.com/2007/01/with-environmental-heroes-like-dion-who.html

It's time people like us cranked up the anti-Dion machine. Every time he or the Libs lie through their teeth on the environment or any other thing they never got around to doing in 13 years of government (hello childcare, Kelowna, do we have enough room for them all...?)we should publicly rebuke them--in the press and whenever they show up at our doorsteps.

They do not not deserve another chance. At least with the Tories, you know where they stand--however much I disagree with them. But the Liberals? Sheesh, they pretend to want to be everything to everyone and end up being nothing to no one. Dion's short time in the high chair has affirmed this,which is why my vote for the NDP ain't budging.

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