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remind
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posted 14 August 2006 01:32 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
In September of 1985 and secret Mulroney memo was leaked. This was when he was hiding his Free Trade sell out. It read in part:

quote:
The strategy should rely less on educating the general public than on getting across the message.. that the trade agreement is good....In other words selling the job. It is likely that the higher the profile the issue attains, the lower the degree of public approval will be...

Harper is trying to use this same methodolgy as exhibited by his silence on all things within public and media. Mulroney appears to be firmly in control IMO.

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Fidel
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posted 14 August 2006 09:52 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Absolutely!. Political Conservatives never change.

"They [Chileans] can't be trusted with democracy." - The Madman

"The illegal we can do now. The unconstitutional will take a little longer" - The Doctor


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otter
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posted 14 August 2006 10:35 AM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post
NO!! Imagine that!! Could it be possible for not one but two Conservative leaders to be bought and paid for by u.s .interests? Heavens, the mind boogles
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500_Apples
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posted 14 August 2006 10:37 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The madman is Pinochet I presume, but who is the doctor?
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johnpauljones
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posted 14 August 2006 10:40 AM      Profile for johnpauljones     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
In my opinion the last Canadian PM who was not in bed with the USA was Pierre Trudeau.

Mulroney we know all about
Turner a big bay street law tycoon
Cambell -- no question who she was friends with
Chretien -- the man who spent more time golfing with Clinton and visiting with a US President in this case Clinton than any other Canadian PM had in visits with the USofA President
Martin -- not much to say since we all know about his love of USofA. and all the money his companies made from USA

So it seems to me that it is not that Stevie is actually doing something it is more that we now are taking notice

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remind
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posted 14 August 2006 04:25 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It was Mulroney who implemented the program of "benign neglect" that would commence the change of Canada and relinguish our sovreignty allthrough the free trade aggreement. The internal documents from that time more than prove it. It was he, who decided to change the character of Canada and he hoped no one would notice or object. He was right, he sold many of us Canadians the "nothing to see here" and "what's to worry about" that has caused the mess we are in today.

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malpeque
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posted 14 August 2006 04:50 PM      Profile for malpeque     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Can you cite those documents remind? I'm not doubting your word for a second I just like to source info.

quote:
Originally posted by remind:
It was Mulroney who implemented the program of "benign neglect" that would commence the change of Canada and relinguish our sovreignty allthrough the free trade aggreement. The internal documents from that time more than prove it. It was he, who decided to change the character of Canada and he hoped no one would notice or object. He was right, he sold many of us Canadians the "nothing to see here" and "what's to worry about" that has caused the mess we are in today.

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Fidel
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posted 14 August 2006 04:51 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
The madman is Pinochet I presume, but who is the doctor?

Their off the books bombing of Cambodia and other crimes killed millions around the world. Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon were the doctor and the madman.

quote:
Originally posted by johnpauljones:
In my opinion the last Canadian PM who was not in bed with the USA was Pierre Trudeau.

The transfer of jur5isdictional powers and taxation to the provinces happened under successive governments and beginning especially with Trudeau's regime. Many nationalists have said our country is practically ungovernable from Ottawa now after selling-out and selling-off to corporate America the way Ottawa has over the years.

And Trudeau's crackdown on civil liberties and arrests of socialists, union leaders and social workers was perfectly in-line with Washington's anti-communist agenda. I think Washington was impressed with our little dictator and his muscle, the Little Guy from Shawinigan at the time.

ETA: The madman was right about one thing in the 70's when he called Trudeau an asshole. I think the comment was chewing gum for newspaper readers. Trudeau was an asshole, but he was one of their assholes.

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Robert MacBain
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posted 14 August 2006 05:11 PM      Profile for Robert MacBain     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Only a paranoid Dictaphone dictator would call Trudeau an asshole.

The students at Duke University sat in stunned silence on May 12, 1974, listening to Trudeau after he was presented with an honorary doctorate.

They had never seen a politician like him. He held them spellbound.


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Fidel
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posted 14 August 2006 05:17 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ya, and PET was a socialist, too. I think he managed to out-Reagan Reagan in the 1980's. And Ronald Raygun was an asshole-deluxe.

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remind
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posted 14 August 2006 06:05 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by malpeque:
Can you cite those documents remind? I'm not doubting your word for a second I just like to source info.

The Betrayal of Canada: Mel Hurtig has the leaked document quotes in his book, which is where I took them from.

And there is also a edited copy of the papers, linked below, on line, all you had to do was google the first sentence and you get 2770 results.

Not linked bad link sorry for side scroll

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Fidel
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posted 14 August 2006 06:22 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think Remind did a google search of "books" and used the search words, "The strategy should rely less on educating the general public than on getting across the message.. that the trade agreement is good"

The Free Trade Papers
edited by Duncan Cameron
http://tinyurl.com/g5pto

very cool

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remind
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posted 14 August 2006 08:01 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:
I think Remind...used the search words, "The strategy should rely less on educating the general public than on getting across the message.. that the trade agreement is good"

The Free Trade Papers
edited by Duncan Cameron

very cool


Yes, tried to find an on line source as I have the book in hard copy. Thank you Fidel!


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remind
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posted 16 August 2006 07:51 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:
The Free Trade Papers
edited by Duncan Cameron
http://tinyurl.com/g5pto

very cool


Having read further through the papers, I find it no wonder the CPC were destroyed after that, too bad people forgot 20 years later!


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Doug
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posted 16 August 2006 01:03 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Robert MacBain:
Only a paranoid Dictaphone dictator would call Trudeau an asshole.

The students at Duke University sat in stunned silence on May 12, 1974, listening to Trudeau after he was presented with an honorary doctorate.

They had never seen a politician like him. He held them spellbound.


Not that he wasn't also a gifted speaker and extremely capable - but he was most certainly an asshole as well.


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posted 16 August 2006 01:28 PM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post
Of course Mulroney and Harpie are cut from the same cloth. They both have been bought and paid for by the same u.s. interests afterall.
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Robert MacBain
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posted 16 August 2006 06:40 PM      Profile for Robert MacBain     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Doug says: “Not that he [Trudeau] wasn't also a gifted speaker and extremely capable - but he was most certainly an asshole as well.”

You’ve got it wrong, Doug. No “asshole” could dominate the political life of this country for 16 years – and well beyond.

An asshole couldn’t intimidate all of the premiers at a first minister’s conference with a simple withering look from that fine-chiselled face.

Like him or hate him, Trudeau was a giant on the national stage and no prime minister – before or after -- has even come close to matching him.


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posted 16 August 2006 06:44 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Robert MacBain:
No “asshole” could dominate the political life of this country for 16 years – and well beyond.

Too easy to resist:


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Fidel
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posted 16 August 2006 10:36 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh good one. he he
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posted 16 August 2006 10:52 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"Do nothing by halves that you can do by quarters" F.R. Scott, I think, wrote about W.L.M. King. That would certainly not apply to Trudeau, who was described more accurately by Judy LaMarsh as an "Arrogant bastard"; I think it should be said in a tone that includes as much admiration as annoyance.
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remind
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posted 19 August 2006 09:19 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by otter:
Of course Mulroney and Harpie are cut from the same cloth. They both have been bought and paid for by the same u.s. interests afterall.

Well, I do not know about using that analogy, I was going for more of an Evangelical connotation.

Seeing as how they are so into the Devil and spirits inhabiting others. Perhaps I should've said within rather than behind?


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