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Tackaberry
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posted 10 June 2001 03:01 AM      Profile for Tackaberry   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What is involved to become an affinity group within the NDP? Could Rabble be reconstituted to meet the requirements?
If so, Would this mean Rabble would get to send dleegates? Do the rules re: representation on the executive, would this mean that Rabble would have at least one seat on council, even if was just as a member at large?
Does this idea interest anyone else? By my count, would get 8 delegate reps, and from my understanding, also representation on council. This would allow us to table policy proposals, that we could hash out here first.
Would someone with a more intimate knowledge of the structure and constitution of the fed NDP please respond if we can form an affinity group, and what that would get us?

Would this interest the rest of you? We would be making a step from critics to policy agents.
Jason


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DrConway
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posted 10 June 2001 07:14 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Goodie! I nominate myself for British Columbian rabble delegate!

(I took out an NDP membership anyway, so that's not a problem)


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skdadl
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posted 10 June 2001 08:11 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hey! I'll second the Conway nomination, even if I'm in Ontario -- someone else has already asked where she can vote for him.

A question, though, that's re-presented itself to me increasingly through the last few days: Are we at our best when we get all organized? (By we I mean specifically this group.)


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vickyinottawa
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posted 21 June 2001 11:17 AM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I had a look at the federal NDP constitution - there's no provision for affinity groups per se, but affiliate membership is open to "trade unions, farm groups, co-operatives, women's organizations and other groups and organizations which, by official act, undertake to accep and abide by the constitution and principles of the Party, and are not associated or identified with any other political party". The organization applies to Council, and would have to pay dues of 20 cents per member per month. You get one convention delegate per 1000 members. I can't tell whether you would get a seat on council - labour affiliates elect delegates to council, but I can't tell whether other affiliated organizations would count as labour in this case.

Since rabble.ca couldn't really claim itself as an organization - you're right, Jason, rabble would have to reconstitute itself somehow - or be able to get its "members" to agree to abide by the constitution of the party I'm thinking that affiliate membership is not really in the cards. What I would suggest, however, is that rabble-rousers find some way of getting together in Winnipeg so we can put faces to names, talk out the issues, etc. Perhaps rabble.ca could sponsor a hospitality suite?????


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verbatim
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posted 21 June 2001 11:26 AM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What is Rabble, exactly? Is it Judy Rebick and the Board and contributors, or is it the registered posters of babble? What is the constituency? How does one become a citizen of babble?
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babbler 8
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posted 21 June 2001 12:40 PM      Profile for babbler 8     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think a rabble hospitality suite is a great idea. I don't think the affinity group would fly. If you want to go to convention and you can afford to send yourself, chances are you can go. Just join up and contact your local riding. Of course then rabble won't be able to buy delegate spots at $1000 a pop. There's an on-line copy of our constitution here.
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skdadl
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posted 21 June 2001 01:00 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I just thought of something. This means meeting. Like in person. In the flesh. Ooooh ...
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DrConway
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posted 21 June 2001 01:45 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
C'mon, skdadl, it'll be fun! *bats catnip ball into skdadl's hand*
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vickyinottawa
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posted 21 June 2001 04:18 PM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
yup, we'd have to meet. Any images you have of your virtual correspondents will be shattered forever. Well, first we'd have to get the rabble powers-that-be (whoever they be) or some willing person with $$$ to host the suite! Sadly, that person ain't me...

Seriously, though, anyone really interested in being a part of the future-of-the-party discussions should consider taking out a membership and running for a delegate slot for convention. Start saving up or fundraising now - not all ridings have $$ to support delegates' travel, expenses and delegate fees. Delegate fees haven't been set yet, but usually run in the $300 range... That's a lot of cookies you'll have to sell between now and November!


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Michelle
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posted 21 June 2001 05:39 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Of course then rabble won't be able to buy delegate spots at $1000 a pop.

Delegate fees haven't been set yet, but usually run in the $300 range...


Okay, rant time. Don't you just love it when a party like the NDP (who brays the loudest about egalitarian principles and representing people from all income brackets) make their conventions completely inaccessible to the poor people they supposedly champion?

We'll stand up for your rights, dearie, as we go off to Winnipeg, and expropriate your voice by speaking FOR you there instead of making you welcome in our midst so you can speak for YOURSELF...

Okay, enough ranting.


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babbler 8
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posted 21 June 2001 06:38 PM      Profile for babbler 8     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You are absolutely right Michelle. That's one of the reasons why I am such a strong supporter of the One Member, One Vote. $300 is nothing compared to the cost of travel, food, accommodations and all the rest.

In fairness there are youth/unwaged fees that are a lot less and there are travel subsidies. But the subsidies are reimbursements and you don't know what you get until after the fact.

I personally won't support any renewal proposal that doesn't allow for the leadership to be decided by the all members, not just those privileged enough to have the money and time to go to convention. Perhaps some other questions should be put to the membership too.


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NP
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posted 21 June 2001 06:39 PM      Profile for NP   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Agreed Michelle, which is why the party HAS to have One Member One Vote for any leadership changes. That can be done at home over the phone, or on the internet.
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vickyinottawa
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posted 25 June 2001 12:33 PM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Michelle is right - the delegate fees are prohibitive, esp for younger and low-wage members. I suppose the standard response would be "well, you get a tax credit for it". That doesn't go very far for folks who don't happen to have a spare few hundred bucks to blow on a weekend of long meetings There is assistance available, though, for those who need it. Folks who go as labour delegates usually have their expenses covered. I know my riding is setting aside some money to help offset some delegates' costs. OMOV, with all due respect to the proponents, doesn't really address the issue of voting on policy and party structure, which is what this convention is about. Frankly, I see these debates as more fundamental than questions of leadership at this point.
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kyall glennie
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posted 05 September 2006 03:56 AM      Profile for kyall glennie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
*bump*

I can't find a current thread about the upcoming Quebec convention (maybe I'm not looking too hard...)

Anyway if other babblers will be in Quebec city try and find me, I'm not too difficult to spot.

*Saskatchewan Pride Worldwide, they say*


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sgm
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posted 05 September 2006 10:09 PM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I, too, will be in Quebec.

I was quite happy to hear today, btw, that James Loney of the CPT will also be in attendance.

I've been quite impressed by the work these folks do since CPTer Cliff Kindy came to my town to speak about his experiences in Iraq a couple of years ago.

They may not be everyone's cup of tea, but their newsletter and website are worthwhile, imho.


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Michelle
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posted 09 September 2006 05:27 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hey everyone! If anyone is at the convention and reading this, there is a rabble table in the exhibition room. Our current acting publisher, Kim Elliott, asked me to post this (since she doesn't have access to internet there) and tell any babblers and babble lurkers at the convention to drop by our table.

If you want a time to get together, so you can see other babblers at the same time, she was thinking maybe you could stop by the table at 6 p.m. Or, just drop by any time and say hi.


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Stephen Gordon
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posted 09 September 2006 08:38 AM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Hey everyone! If anyone is at the convention and reading this, there is a rabble table in the exhibition room. Our current acting publisher, Kim Elliott, asked me to post this (since she doesn't have access to internet there) and tell any babblers and babble lurkers at the convention to drop by our table.

If you want a time to get together, so you can see other babblers at the same time, she was thinking maybe you could stop by the table at 6 p.m. Or, just drop by any time and say hi.


I just stopped by - no-one was at the booth. I'll try again later.


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unionist
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posted 09 September 2006 08:41 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Stephen Gordon:

I just stopped by - no-one was at the booth. I'll try again later.


Stephen, do me a favour? Ask Paul Summerville how he feels about Layton's call for withdrawal from Afghanistan. I need to confirm or invalidate my hypothesis. Thanks.


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Stephen Gordon
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posted 09 September 2006 08:57 AM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post
I don't think he's here

But if I had to guess, I'd agree with your hypothesis.


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unionist
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posted 09 September 2006 09:01 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Stephen Gordon:
I don't think he's here

No, I wouldn't imagine so!

Thanks for your assessment.


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Sine Ziegler
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posted 15 September 2006 05:15 PM      Profile for Sine Ziegler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hey Kyall, I saw you on TV on CPAC about 100,000 times. I think I saw Rick a few times but otherwise I hardly recognized anyone there.

Unfortunately I was unable to make it this time, but I don't feel so bad as it seems things went well without me


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Wilf Day
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posted 15 September 2006 05:31 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Sine Ziegler:
Hey Kyall, I saw you on TV on CPAC about 100,000 times. I think I saw Rick a few times but otherwise I hardly recognized anyone there.

I take it you weren't watching at 11:57 a.m. Saturday.

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kingblake
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posted 16 September 2006 11:44 AM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
There was nobody at the table the few times I stopped by either, though I did get a chance to meet a couple of babblers I hadn't seen in a while (and a couple of others I hadn't met).

Should've worn my rabble pin...


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