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Krago
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posted 09 September 2002 10:26 PM      Profile for Krago     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Tonight, the NDP held onto the Ward 2 City Council seat vacated by Brian Masse when he won the Windsor West by-election back in May.

The winner, Ron Jones, won by a wide margin: 1,980 to 1,202 for the runner-up. He possesses one of the most fascinating resumes of any NDP candidate. Jones is a retired firefighter twice decorated for bravery, an ordained minister, former school trustee, and Past President of the National Black Coalition of Canada and Windsor Urban Alliance. How many New Democrats can claim to have worked in counter-terrorism with CSIS?

Ron Jones City Council Ward 2


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josh
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posted 09 September 2002 11:10 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Windsor seems like it's a good NDP town.

Must be its close proximity to the U.S.


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hibachi
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posted 09 September 2002 11:12 PM      Profile for hibachi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Pogo
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posted 09 September 2002 11:34 PM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Trips to view capitalism at its finest (Detroit) will do that to you!
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Catalyst
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posted 10 September 2002 04:19 AM      Profile for Catalyst   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
They don't call our fair city "Detroit's Whore" for nothing. We get to see the shining examples of American culture when they send their under 21's to fill our bars downtown, bingo and Casino patrons, strip club patrons and patrons of our legal "escort services". All this means is that downtown is no place for family entertainment. Bars and restaurants seem to be the only businesses thriving.

And the people who come over to take advantage of these amenities are soooo arrogant at times. My last job before my current one was at the 7 11 by the bridge to the US. Those months I learned the origin of the phrase "ugly American." I bit back many a comment and was always polite. Nice people were the exception who proved the rule...

Then there's all the industrial pollution from both sides of the border as well as the traffic snarls along the NAFTA superhighway. We have higher rates of cancer, lung and heart disease and miscarriages than the provincial averages. And Ward 2 is right in the path of the soot from the garbage incinerators across the border. So is it any wonder that on occasion we tend not to support who business people would like to see elected? The only thing that amazes me is that we tend to vote for other parties at times...


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Tommy Shanks
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posted 13 September 2002 12:33 PM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
One question catalyst? Shining examples of American culture. All the places you list are in Canada. Doesn't that make it our culture. If your actually talking about the American visitors, I guess it's ok to provide all the seedy entertainment and then sanctimonously criticize them for enjoying it. Why not go after the owners of places that make downtown so inhospitable. Oh thats right, Windsor probably likes the cash.

And actually, working at a 7-11 anywhere in North America will probably expose you to locals who behave like morons, due to the lack of respect people have for wage slaves in general. Can't just blame the yanks.

You know what really bothers me about Rabble? Just about every thread dissolves into some vein of anti-americanism. What is it with the Left?


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josh
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posted 13 September 2002 12:56 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
As to the point about a general "anti-american" tone on Rabble, I can only say that as an American I share many of those views. I guess that makes me anti-american. You should be working for Fox News.

This is an accusation that really burns me up. To be against the policies of a government, particularly one as powerful as the U.S., does not automatically make one "anti-american." Rather, that person is against the policies of a particular American administration, or series of administrations.

If by opposing the policies of the current "evil" administration is anti-american, then the members of rabble should consider that description to be a badge of honor.


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jeff house
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posted 13 September 2002 02:47 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
All the places you list are in Canada. Doesn't that make it our culture.

Yes, one would have to include elements of Canadian society in that critique. If there are Canadian tavern owners getting rich from selling
stripping and lap dancing to American visitors, I think the critique should extend to them as well.

It isn't anti-American at all.


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Tommy Shanks
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posted 13 September 2002 05:27 PM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Josh:

I just meant this is a thread about the election in Windsor, a local CITY election taking place in Canada. So what pops up? Comments about "ugly americans" and how arrogant they are. Sounds like Windsor has a lot of ugly Canadians too. What does that have to do with the thread?

You have to admit any topic you post here, regardless of paricipants, location, worthiness, usually ends up with someone spouting the same cliches. Why is that?

You have the same frigging reaction, now the US governemnt is "evil"? Come on. I thought I made a valid point yet now I should work for Fox news? Why? Because I pointed out the flaw in the argument? Maybe the badge of honour at rabble should be in making a lucid, on-topic point. Probably would improve some of the threads.


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josh
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posted 13 September 2002 07:25 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Fair enough. You're right about the tendency in some, but by no means all, threads to drift into anti-americanism.

My "evil" crack was just throwing George II's rhetoric back at him.

And I am apologise about the Fox News crack. That's an insult I'll save for Slick Willy.


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Jacob Two-Two
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posted 14 September 2002 04:08 AM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I doubt that you really think the quality of discussion on babble is so low, Tommy. You wouldn't be here if you did. Lord knows I can hardly stand to read most other discussion groups for all the ranting idiots I have to endure.

Make your point (it does have a certain validity) but don't say things you don't mean.


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Tommy_Paine
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posted 14 September 2002 08:47 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What I find interesting is that in Windsor, it seems that municiple candidates run under party banners.

That's not considered the right thing to do in London. Having said that though, it's more than a little obvious that the Liberal caucus on council is very active and organized.

And largely responsible for all the incompetence at our City Hall.

It should not be lost on anyone here that Federal M.P.'s Joe Fontana and Pat O'Brien were long time City Council Members.

The very loosely run "N.D.P." caucus does things the opposite way. Quite often N.D.P. candidates who run unsuccessfully either provincially or federally end up being shoe ins for city council in municiple elections, Dianne Whiteside being a prime example.

London North will never elect an N.D.P. M.P.P., but we should have our poop together so that the candidate that runs there has an interest in going for city council. Name recognition combined with high voter turn out in that area of town works well for us.

If I get back into activism, it will be through the P.E.C. at my Local, and my objective would be to attempt to hammer out a better coalition between the left of center groups so that we can utilize all our resources to gain a greater, if not majority voice at City Hall.


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Catalyst
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posted 14 September 2002 09:55 AM      Profile for Catalyst   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
To Tommy Shanks: I was not being critical of Americans in general as I do not believe that what we get here in Windsor represents a true representation of the American culture. What I am criticizing is the predominant view of prominent business owners here (Canadians, for the most part) that what we have here is good for our city. Unless a person wants to gamble or become drunk with the under 21 crowd from across the border, most of our downtown is extremely repellent after dark. There are closed stores and open bingo parlours and patio bars where fistfights erupt all the time. Bar patrons tend to urinate and regurgitate on neighbouring lawns (a few streets away) and are loud until about 4 in the morning. The traffic along the NAFTA superhighway (which accounts according to the Windsor Star for one third of the commerce between Canada and the US) belches fumes which make the neighbourhoods there very unhealthy. The truck traffic, being slowed by the security problems since last year, fill residential and streets with small businesses so that even when they are not idling for hours at a time, the small businesses complain there is nowhere for their customers to park.

Anyhow, I in no way think I ever said anything anti-American. I said merely that that is the typical representation of what we get here. You're right. Working at 7 11 definitely gave me a unique perception of who crossed the border. Yet when I worked on afternoon shifts instead of midnights, I met an entirely different type of tourist. My point perhaps, was that the current city council seemed content to grant more and more bar licenses for downtown and decided to combat the problems of prostitution by legalizing it to not offend the people who might leave some money here. The people who voted for the NDP candidate did so probably because of the issues I raised and because while certain business owners are making a tonne of money, they have to deal with the fallout. It's only certain Americans who treat Windsor as Detroit's whore, but in my opinion, the Mayor, City Council and the Chamber of Commerce have pimped us out.


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Michelle
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posted 14 September 2002 11:45 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yeah, I think that's really weird that people run under party banners for city council - I'm pretty sure that in Kingston they run as independents because there are no municipal "parties" - well, as far as I know, anyhow.

If anything, that sounds more American to me - maybe the close proximity to Detroit has influenced Windsor that way too? I've heard that the Americans even elect their dogcatchers, and they run under party tickets.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.


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Krago
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posted 14 September 2002 12:05 PM      Profile for Krago     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
As a former Ward 2 resident (Mill & Wyandotte), I'm familiar with the issues you raise. I also know that the 7-11 is right across from the University of Windsor residences, so some of the 'urinating, regurgitating' youth you speak of may be home-grown.

The problems of downtown Windsor are the same as any border city where the rules are different on one side than the other. Just ask anyone from Hull or Tijuana. What is the alternative? Shutting down the bars and restaurants and strip clubs? Even if it could be done, it would just make the downtown even more desolate. Windsor doesn't have the student or artistic population to support the progressive/alternative scene you would prefer (such as Toronto and Guelph do).

I agree with you about the truck problem. The best solution would be to build a new truck-only crossing with direct access to the 401, along the lines of the Queenston-Lewiston bridge in Niagara. That would take BIG bucks, more than a few environmental hearings, and hurt the small businesses along Huron Line. For starters maybe Toronto could take care of its own garbage, rather than sending hundreds of scows on wheels down the 401 every day.

As for running on party labels in Windsor, it's more implied than explicit. But when a long-time New Democrat runs using orange-and-white signs, that's usually a good indication of their political affiliation. As far as I can tell, Windsor City Council currently has three New Democrats (Jones, Cassivi, Wilson), five Liberals (Zuk, Hotham, Carlesimo, Valentinis, Marra), one PC/Alliance (Halberstadt) and two unknowns (Hurst, Francis).


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Michelle
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posted 14 September 2002 12:36 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That's true about the colour of the signs - the woman who won the seat for my ward ran with green signs, and I think she was either an NDP or Green provincial candidate in the past. Others use blue or red signs. Maybe there's more of that than I thought in Kingston and just hadn't noticed it because it wasn't explicit.
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