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rasmus
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posted 11 November 2001 03:34 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Are you either in the NDP, or a leftist outside the NDP? The NDP wants to hear from you:
http://www.ndp-econvention.ca/Surveys/Blank.cfm?ID=1

I don't see how, if you're not a well-wisher of the left in general, your participation in this poll can be anything but malicious sabotage.

[ November 11, 2001: Message edited by: rasmus_raven ]


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JCL
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posted 11 November 2001 05:26 PM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Why would the NDP need to hear from me? They probably heard me vote for parties other than the NDP. I didn't vote for them provincially or federally.
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Debra
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posted 11 November 2001 05:32 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well we don't want to hear from you either, will you give us the same consideration?
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Jared
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posted 11 November 2001 06:24 PM      Profile for Jared     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Burn!
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JCL
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posted 11 November 2001 07:09 PM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Earthmother - What? Can't hear you.
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vaudree
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posted 11 November 2001 07:31 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You guys with your selective hearing. (sheesh)

If the quiz is any good, they should have a few dud questions thrown in to screen out the righties, or, more favorably, code them differently so that they can tell what distinguishes the NDP from other parties. If they don`t have something like that built into the survey - they deserve to be taken.

And I am an NDP supporter.


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Michelle
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posted 11 November 2001 07:36 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Why would the NDP need to hear from me?

If you read Rasmus' original message carefully, you would have found the answer to your question there, when he said that if you aren't a supporter or well wisher, your participation would be malicious. I can't see how it could have been made more clear than that.


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vaudree
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posted 11 November 2001 08:00 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
if you aren't a supporter or well wisher, your participation would be malicious.

And that would discourage rightwingers from participating How? Of course it`s malicious, that is the intention.

Am I the only one who figures they should have an "all of the above" for question one? You can`t give up any of those three goals and still be the NDP. Well, you could go for official opposition but on the other hand - we are not rhinos.

Glad to see you back Michelle.


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wagepeace
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posted 11 November 2001 08:15 PM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ahhhhh,

snif~

Too funny


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agent007
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posted 11 November 2001 08:25 PM      Profile for agent007     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"Malicious" -- could r_r have meant, "Delicious sabotage"?
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Michelle
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posted 11 November 2001 08:54 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
To tell the truth, I wasn't crazy about the questions either. Too vague - I mean, what the hell is this supposed to mean:

quote:
3. What do New Democrats need to do to gain more support from Canadians?

Keep hammering away at the old themes and wait for public opinion to turn.

Become more radically anti-capitalist and pro-public enterprise.

Find new grassroots-based political projects promoting democracy, equality and sustainability.

Other (please comment below)


Obviously we're not to pick #1 since it's written in a negative (possibly slightly sarcastic?) tone. #2 is obvious. #3, though, is so vague as to mean pretty much anything you want it to mean. And if it's the one that's picked, then probably everyone in the NDP will think their particular viewpoint has the mandate to move ahead...

I hate to say it, but it kind of reminds me of the new curriculum in Ontario - yes/no/multiple-choice answers to complex questions.


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Michelle
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posted 11 November 2001 08:55 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
P.S. Thanks Vaudree.
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vaudree
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posted 11 November 2001 11:36 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
My answer for #3.
quote:
3)I think the party needs to find it`s soul, revisit it`s principles, and keep those in mind when setting policy. The NDP cannot please everyone all the time, and needs to spend more time convincing various groups that they may not always be happy with the NDP but that they are better off with the NDP than any other party. Actually running the government means making tough choices - it means that you can`t please everybody all the time. It also means doing the right thing even if it is not popular, if our principles demand that we do so. For example: Imprisioning Muslems is very popular now in the US, as the social conscience we could never support something like that.

For the record with bringing in the War Mesures Act - Tommy was right! He was right then - and he would be in his grave to see history`s stupidest moments reincarnate themselves. Why can`t we bring Tommy back as well.

PS. Canada: A people`s history - thought Margaret Atwood sounded a lot like Luba Goy.


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JCL
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posted 12 November 2001 12:45 AM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
A person can still be left, center or right wing without any declared political affiliations. I am right of center but none of the current parties on the right accurately reflect my views. I could have one or two views that would be considered left wing but that wouldn't make me a NDPer, Green Party or whatever other left wing party that is out there. There are people out in society who consider all political parties as "a bunch of crooks" but yet what they feel could be interpreted as left or right wing.
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meades
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posted 12 November 2001 01:04 AM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
thought Margaret Atwood sounded a lot like Luba Goy.

So did I, so I stuck around for the credits, and sure enough, Luba did TWO voices for the program- including Margaret Atwood's

I guess they liked her monotonic impression


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skdadl
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posted 12 November 2001 10:00 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I thought she was holding back quite a bit, given the full-out version she's often done on Air Farce. She could have turned up the drone a bit, IMO.

I thought some of the classic voices were not that well done -- Diefenbaker last night, eg, and Churchill last week (?). I would just have gone to the archives for those speeches, frankly -- I mean, we must still have Diefenbaker's major speeches; what actor could ever match that voice?

Richard Burton, I admit, was a better Churchill than Churchill -- I think even Churchill thought so. I still miss Richard Burton, most beautiful voice of the C20. If you ever have a chance to watch the animated version made, using his voice, in the 90s of A Child's Christmas in Wales, don't miss it -- utterly magical.

Sorry for the thread drift -- we now return you to your regularly scheduled multiple-choice quiz.


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Pimji
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posted 12 November 2001 09:04 PM      Profile for Pimji   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I actually thought the poll was pretty good. The questions where to the point.
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audra trower williams
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posted 13 November 2001 03:32 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Keep in mind that the survey is just for fun too
quote:
Note: This survey is intended for interest only, it is not "scientific" or "fair". We know it doesn't allow a full range of responses. Got a divergent opinion? Please add your comments.

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Nic
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posted 13 November 2001 03:33 PM      Profile for Nic     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Whops! that wasn't Audra, it was me. I forgot to log her out of my computer.
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rasmus
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posted 13 November 2001 03:34 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Nic, how do we know it isn't you all those other times?
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Nic
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posted 13 November 2001 10:19 PM      Profile for Nic     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hmmm, I think a good rule of theumb is that if she does something that you don't like it's likely me .
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rasmus
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posted 13 November 2001 10:21 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Chivalry isn't dead after all...
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