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unionist
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posted 13 October 2008 07:46 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Turns out the dinosaurs aren't extinct after all:

quote:
The spiritual vacuum created by secularism and relativism is eating away at Quebeckers' soul, creating widespread insecurity throughout the society, says the Roman Catholic Church's senior figure in the province, Cardinal Marc Ouellet. ...

“Hence the confusion of our youths, the dramatic drop in marriages, the very low birth rate and the alarming number of abortions and suicides,” he writes. “The crisis in values and the search for meaning are profound and urgent problems in Quebec that are even having serious repercussions on public health that have led to considerable costs on the health-care system.”

In part he blames the Quebec media for promoting anti-Catholic rhetoric that over the years has fuelled shame and contempt for the province's religious heritage. Quebec, he adds, is ripe for a renewed effort of evangelization and urges Catholics to take up the cause.

Cardinal Ouellet also takes aim at the Quebec government for recently introducing a course on ethics and religious culture that is part of the mandatory curriculum.


Later on in the article:

quote:
Last year, he published a letter apologizing for the church's anti-Semitism prior to the Quiet Revolution, as well as certain priests' sexual abuse of minors, treatment of aboriginal students and discrimination toward women and homosexuals.

Can't speak for the others, but on behalf of the Jews of Québec: You are not forgiven.


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lagatta
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posted 14 October 2008 03:00 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I've just read this in French in Le Devoir.

The hatred of LGBT people and the patronising contempt for women hasn't changed an iota, of course.

The antisemitism (of Catholicism and other leading Christian denominations and their ideological sphere) and forced assimilation of Aboriginal people had murderous consequences.

He is so out of step with contemporary Québec society that it would be pathetic blather, except that the Catholic right is attempting to turn the clock back, grabbing at anything (now, the morals course).

And the birthrate has actually increased in recent years; the provision of affordable early-childhood care and education is probably a factor, as it has been in France and other countries where it exists.


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QatzelOk
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posted 01 November 2008 03:18 PM      Profile for QatzelOk        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Can't speak for the others, but on behalf of the Jews of Québec: You are not forgiven.

Not forgiven for what? Having a disdain for usury? Not letting money buy anything it wants to?

There's enough shame in world history to go around. Everyone can have some. Just look how the Rothschilds got the Balfour Declaration off the ground. By killing millions of working class euros by proxy.

**goes to confession**


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posted 01 November 2008 03:20 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
what. the. fuck.
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posted 01 November 2008 03:20 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by QatzelOk:

Not forgiven for what? Having a disdain for usury? Not letting money buy anything it wants to?

There's enough shame in world history to go around. Everyone can have some. Just look how the Rothschilds got the Balfour Declaration off the ground. By killing millions of working class euros by proxy.

**goes to confession**


Just for posterity.


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Michelle
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posted 01 November 2008 04:28 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's okay, he's gone.
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George Victor
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posted 01 November 2008 05:19 PM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can someone east of the Ottawa River tell me what is happening in old Social Credit circles there. A catholic neighbour showed me a little monthly being put out that appeals to both the catholic right and right-wing politicos generally.

I thought Socreds there had gone with Real Caouette (?spelling) and the wind.

Can anyone enlighten me?


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Found this:


quote:

> While social credit is a spent force in Quebec, if you look for them
> (especially in northwestern Quebec, along the border with northeastern
> Ontario), you will still find a number of "believers", even so many
years
> after their official demise.
>
> I will add that, since the beginning, the social credit in Quebec acted
as
> a focal point for traditionalist Catholics living (mostly) in remote
rural
> areas of the province. Note that the period of their ascent (from the
late
> 50s to the mid-70s) coincided more or less with Vatican II, the
> renewal and crisis in the Church, and what was perceived as a sharp,
> sudden and very serious decline in family values and sexual morality.
>
> Not surprisingly, in the beginning, Social Credit a la quebecoise was
as
> much of a quasi-religious movement as a political party. The issue of
the
> role that religion was to play in its political activism eventually led
to
> a split (usually referred to as "schism") between the political wing,
> headed by a car salesman, later, and for many years, a federal MP, Real
> Caouette (a colorful, but widely respected, man), and the religious
wing,
> the "Vers Demain" movement (also popularly known as the white beret
> movement; or, in English Canada, as the publishers of the "Michael"
> Journal), headed by a lay woman, Gilberte Cote-Mercier. The Vers Demain
> movement still exists, and, although it presents some of the
> characteristics of a traditionalist sect, it is in fact in communion
with
> the local Catholic hierarchy. Originally, the source of inspiration of
all
> of those people had been a French (?) intellectual and proponent of
Major
> Douglas' theories by the name of Louis Even, yet another of those many
> people (like GK Chesterton) who, in the 1930s, were desperately looking
> for an alternate to both capitalism and fascism.
>
> For a few years, Social Credit also managed to have a handful of its
> candidates elected as members of the Quebec National Assembly and they
did
> play some role in the complex and difficult period (from the mid-60s to
> the mid-70s) between the demise of the Union Nationale (i.e. the old
> Quebec nationalist party that had ruled the province since 1944) and
the
> ascent of the Parti Quebecois (i.e. the new Quebec nationalist party
that
> was to be elected in 1976).
>
> Pierre M. Bellemare
> pbellema@aix1.uottawa.ca


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It would seem they are not found only in the Quebec bush, contrary to this article.
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George Victor
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posted 01 November 2008 05:31 PM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It was, in fact, the "Michael" Journal that I was shown. Quaint but scary!
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George Victor
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posted 02 November 2008 04:00 AM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It seems to me that Ouelette, like Richelieu, just might have hidden agendas that extend beyond their immediate bailiwick, using political organs to maintain the faith...and appealing, as seen here in Ontario, to a very reactionary element. Unread, dumbed down, and dangerously reactive elements, from observation close up.
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