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johnpauljones
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posted 07 June 2005 07:43 PM      Profile for johnpauljones     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ten years ago, on June 8 1995 Ontario as we know changed for ever.

On that date Mike Harris his revolution of common sense and his merry gang of PCs who were not politically correct were elected to govern Ontario.

So much has changed in the last 10 years. So much is different about our fair province.

How will you mark the anniversary?


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posted 07 June 2005 08:02 PM      Profile for Reason   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by johnpauljones:
Ten years ago, on June 8 1995 Ontario as we know changed for ever.

On that date Mike Harris his revolution of common sense and his merry gang of PCs who were not politically correct were elected to govern Ontario.

So much has changed in the last 10 years. So much is different about our fair province.

How will you mark the anniversary?


In morning that the idiots of Ont felt that they would be better under the LIEberals.

Like him, or as I suspect, hate him. He did not lie to us. To me, his "revolution" made sense.


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posted 07 June 2005 08:17 PM      Profile for sock puppet   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mike Harris is a liar, and a bigot, and a thief, and a bully, with the blood of hundreds of the citizens of Ontario on his hands.

Does anyone not understand this?


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posted 07 June 2005 08:23 PM      Profile for Reason   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sock puppet:
Mike Harris is a liar, and a bigot, and a thief, and a bully, with the blood of hundreds of the citizens of Ontario on his hands.

Does anyone not understand this?


Clearly I do not.

At what point did he lie?

What makes him a bigot?

And there is a LOT more blood on the hands of the LIEberals then the Conservatives.

Let us try something a little more then the usual propaganda this time, eh?


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posted 07 June 2005 08:30 PM      Profile for sock puppet   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've got two quotes for you from the man himself:

"not a penny will be taken from the classrooms of the province"

Liar.

"I want those fucking indians out of there"

Bigot.


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posted 07 June 2005 08:36 PM      Profile for sock puppet   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Blood?

Dudley George. Kimberley Rogers. Increased worker fatalities. Increased deaths of the homeless. Walkerton.

Need I go on?

Your turn. I'm no fan of the Liberals, but I'd love to see what fatalities you'd try to blame on them.


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posted 07 June 2005 08:38 PM      Profile for fossilnut        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Reason. Agreed. He was a similar to Ralph Klein. angel of God or disciple of Satan, you got what you voted for. The people decide.

One must admit, however, that Harris had to come across good after the Bob Rae governmnet.


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miles
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posted 07 June 2005 08:39 PM      Profile for miles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My fondest memory is hundreds of thousands of protesters outside of Queen's Park for the swearing in of the Harris Government.

They were not protesting a piece of legislation, a budget, a throne speech. No they were protesting because of what Harris might do. They were protesting the election platform and protesting that Harris would keep his word and implement the platform.


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posted 07 June 2005 08:40 PM      Profile for sock puppet   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
'disciple of satan' would be an apt description of those who would lie in defense of Harris.

Birds of a feather, I suppose.


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posted 07 June 2005 08:44 PM      Profile for sock puppet   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The 'CSR' was full of inherent contradictions. Anyone who wasn't an ideological true believer recognised that - and knew from day one which promises Harris would keep (tax cuts for his wealthy benefactors) and which he would break.
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posted 07 June 2005 08:48 PM      Profile for fossilnut        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Didn't the people give Harris a big majority the next election? If I recall the NDP hadn't recovered from the Rae folly and still hasn't to up to the last election.

It'll be interesting if the NDP can get back in contention in Ontario or if they'll be relegated to a perpetual 3rd place status.


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posted 07 June 2005 09:14 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Even talking about this disgusting man makes my skin crawl. And Harris supporters are just as bad.
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steffie
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posted 07 June 2005 11:35 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ten years ago when my welfare cheque was cut back my 2 year old child and I were forced to move from a nice bungalow with a yard to a creaky walk-up with barely a sidewalk out front.

Along with the drastic change in circumstance was the reality that I was going to have to make more of an effort to earn money. I began working as a taxi driver for cash on the side. The hours grew to a point where I was using welfare to "top off" my earnings (to a maximum of $987 a month).

This sudden immersion into the working world was the catalyst that eventually gained me the courage and the contacts to attend university, identify my unique talents and basically become a better person. I guess in a sad way I have Mike Harris to thank for that.

I probably would have made the shift anyways but the timing was such that revitalizing my earning potential coincided with the (urgent) need to do so.

FWIW, this is my experience of the Harris inauguration. Getting off the system and back on my feet felt like jumping from a ship that was sinking, fast.

[Edited to acknowledge those who went down with the ship, and those who are still frantically gasping for air. Hang in there!]

[ 07 June 2005: Message edited by: steffie ]


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Albireo
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posted 08 June 2005 12:09 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fossilnut:
Didn't the people give Harris a big majority the next election?
In the 1999 election, 55% of voters opposed the government, and 45% supported it. Under our absurd system, Harris retained 100% of the power.

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mary123
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posted 08 June 2005 12:30 AM      Profile for mary123     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sock puppet:
Blood?

Dudley George. Kimberley Rogers. Increased worker fatalities. Increased deaths of the homeless. Walkerton.



That is the ultimate conservative wet dream: kill Indians and poor single moms.


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posted 08 June 2005 12:42 AM      Profile for fossilnut        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
In the 1999 election, 55% of voters opposed the government, and 45% supported it. Under our absurd system, Harris retained 100% of the power.

What did Bob Rae recieve when elected and then when he lost to Harris?


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James
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posted 08 June 2005 12:50 AM      Profile for James        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember that morning. I remember kind of a sick, heavy feeling in the pit of my stomach.

I also remember a morning about five years earlier, when we awoke to discover we had elected Bob Rae. It was lind of a giddy feeling, with everyone looking around and saying, "Not me, I didn't do it". And it was fun.


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posted 08 June 2005 12:32 PM      Profile for Volrath50     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember way back, in Grade 4, when I was 9, the PC government almost fired my dad in the name of cutbacks. I remember him basically as the boogyman. (not that he wasn't). I actually wrote a story in Grade 4 that featured an evil politician named Ekim Sirrah.

That being said, as far as I know, he did keep him promises, for the most part. However it would have been better for all concerned had he broken them...


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posted 08 June 2005 02:56 PM      Profile for danwayne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember when the Tories released the Common Sense Revolution. My sense was that they had just assured themselves of about 25% of the vote.

The fact that so many Ontarions ended up supporting it, and still do, is a condemnation of our so called fair society. The same people that put Harris in power, now have their hooks into McGuinty.

Revolutions have victims. The CSR had too many victims.

One other irony. I was an NDP candidate in 1995, and I had so many people tell me "we had to get rid of Bob Rae" - sort of their way of telling me they would not vote for me.

Within a couple years, me and lots of people working for progressive causes lost their jobs (I was with the Ottawa Tenants Federation) and things were never the same. But Bob Rae keeps getting jobs. From the Law Firm, to the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, to the recent stuff on post secondary education, and now the Air India disaster. Don't get me too wrong, I think all of that is fine for Bob.......but he was never the victim of the revolution - Ontario was.


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posted 08 June 2005 03:18 PM      Profile for sock puppet   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nothing drives me to despair more than this:
quote:
That being said, as far as I know, he did keep him promises, for the most part.
...because if we fall for this Orwellian propaganda, what hope do we have of making the average working stiff see through it?

Every other word out of Harris' mouth was a blatant lie!

He constantly claimed credit for ending the recession.

BULLSHIT!!! It ended six months before he took power, and he damned well knew it.

He claimed his tax cuts were targeted at the working man.

BULLSHIT!!! The investor class was the primary beneficiary, taking home the vast majority of our tax dollars each and every time.

He claimed not to have been involved in the decision to storm Ipperwash.

BULLSHIT!!! He ordered the O.P.P. in, compromising their independence, and costing the force the respect of many in the province - and an innocent man his life.

There are many, many, many more examples, but I don't want to seem tedious - only to point out once again that Mike Harris is to this day a liar.

[ 08 June 2005: Message edited by: sock puppet ]


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posted 08 June 2005 03:40 PM      Profile for Volrath50     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sock puppet:
Nothing drives me to despair more than this: ...because if we fall for this Orwellian propaganda, what hope do we have of making the average working stiff see through it?

Every other word out of Harris' mouth was a blatant lie!

He constantly claimed credit for ending the recession.

BULLSHIT!!! It ended six months before he took power, and he damned well knew it.

He claimed his tax cuts were targeted at the working man.

BULLSHIT!!! The investor class was the primary beneficiary, taking home the vast majority of our tax dollars each and every time.

He claimed not to have been involved in the decision to storm Ipperwash.

BULLSHIT!!! He ordered the O.P.P. in, compromising their independence, and costing the force the respect of many in the province - and an innocent man his life.

There are many, many, many more examples, but I don't want to seem tedious - only to point out once again that Mike Harris is to this day a liar.

[ 08 June 2005: Message edited by: sock puppet ]


Geez... Sorry for ticking you off so much. I don't and didn't support Mike Harris one iota. I'd like to say that I said nothing about him lying, but about keeping promises, of which those examples weren't, but I'm afraid that I'd get yelled at again for saying the slightest not bad thing about Harris.

Please keep in mind that I was in elementry school at the time...


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posted 08 June 2005 04:12 PM      Profile for sock puppet   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Volrath50 - No offense intended. I recognised that you're no fan of Harris. It's just a pet peeve of mine that this particular 'Big Lie' (Harris kept promises) is so unquestioningly accepted.
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posted 08 June 2005 04:58 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do we know how soon it will be Harris's turn to testify at the Ipperwash inquiry? I'm hoping to hear as well from his helper, Deb Hutton (?), who seems to have been the conduit through which pressure was applied to the OPP.
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The one thing about Ontario politics that pisses me off greatly is the lack of acknowledgment that the NDP govt. took power at the same time as a recession was beginning.

Obviously, they were not the cause of the recession but had to react to its effects upon revenue.

But, of course, they were blamed for all of the belt-tightening that a recession requires. And which led to the "[less than] Common Sense Revolution".

Yuck. We're still living this down.


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posted 08 June 2005 07:24 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Do we know how soon it will be Harris's turn to testify at the Ipperwash inquiry? I'm hoping to hear as well from his helper, Deb Hutton (?), who seems to have been the conduit through which pressure was applied to the OPP.

I cannot wait for this to happen either. I am seriously hoping that he does not get out of testifying as it seems fairly clear to me thus far that he certainly had a hand in how the OPP reacted to the Ipperwash people.

Does anyone know how OPP officer Fox died and when?


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Carter
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The Harris government did one good thing, which happens also to be the first thing that it did: It abolished photo radar. And that's it. Everything else was execrable.
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posted 08 June 2005 10:22 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, that was just one more bad thing they did.
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Doug
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I liked that they extended open hours at the bar to 2 AM....and, well, that's about it.
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posted 28 June 2005 08:35 PM      Profile for Albion1     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If there are those out there who say that Harris does not have blood on his hands I only have one name out of many for you. Dudley George !!!
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The Harris government was the first in Canada to bow to the inevitable and not try to fight same-sex marriage.

Of course it fell to the federal Liberals to later show how to do this with a measure of grace and generousity.

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quote:
Originally posted by miles:
My fondest memory is hundreds of thousands of protesters outside of Queen's Park for the swearing in of the Harris Government.

Hundreds of thousands? Really?


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posted 29 June 2005 06:52 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it was about 200,000. As far as I know, it was the largest demo in Ontario (provincial) history. Maybe in Canadian history, although there may have been a bigger one in Ottawa.
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posted 29 June 2005 07:19 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I mark the anniversary of the Harris government every time I hear a helicopter.

For a couple of weeks, you see, helicopters would fly over my house, taking kids from Walkerton to Victoria Hospital here in London.


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I'll mark it by praying Mike Harris gets prison time for the horror done to Dudley George under his watch. I pray he gets prison time for all the sad and needless deaths and pain and suffering he caused a great many people during his arrogant and destructive reign.
If those killed and murdered were lobbyist friends of Mike Harris they would have made a killing instead.

Mr. "Family Values" also divorced his middle aged wife and left his 2 adopted boys and immediately had relationships with way younger women. (ugh how these women can fuck this guy is beyond me.)
(The more these conservative types advertise how moral they are, the less they actually are.)

Now this moral and ethical psychopath is advising the CPC party as well as being a "senior fellow" of the Fraser Institute. Another wanna-be George Bush fan who will get what's coming to him very soon in the memory of Dudley George and his other victims.
May we always remember your crimes Mike Harris. I for one will never let people forget.

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Wasn't the largest protest during the Harris years when all the teachers marched on Queen's park? That is a legacy not to be desired. How many good teachers were driven out early because they simply couldn't work in the environment created by Harris? And now we are paying for it, we don't have the same experience in schools that we should have had.

How about all the nurses that left the country because they got attitude from Mr Harris?

How about skyrocketing tuition fees?

About the SSM, I am not exactly sure what you are referring to, but the courts decided that in June 2003 and at that time Eves was Premier and had little choice but to accept it because his boat was full of water.

How about the sale of public property? Just to name some big ones: Huron-Bruce Nuclear and the 407. Both are projected to be loses for the government, especially the 407 which was a massive under bidding than its value... to a Spanish/Quebec company nontheless.

Those "revenues" were then put into the budget and hidden from the public to pretend that the government wasn't in a spending deficit to pay for Harris-cuts. That was a huge lie. The books were not balanced except artificially by the sale of crown properties.

How about the Oakridges Morraine and other assaults on the precious environment around the GTA?

How about the assault on large municipalities and the lack of funding to public transit?

How about P3s?

How about devaluing urban areas in the provincial election by matching the ridings to federal areas, effectively making urban ridings larger?

Commonsense my ass.

Harris was a perpetual liar. And to get some sort of credibility for "doing what he said he was going to do" is bullshit. He wasn't truthful about what he was doing and what it would cost. He painted a rosy picture - and the only thing that saved the province was people dedicated to what they were doing before Harris. The teachers and the healthcare workers especially.


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Well said, Hawkins.
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