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Brian White
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posted 28 February 2006 10:56 PM      Profile for Brian White   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are 2 payphones nearby and both are vandalized (except for the telus signlight.
Can the vaunted telus marketing people please remove their signs from Craigflower st?
The next nearest telus payphone is outside a shop and ..... Card use only. Telus have probably blocked the coin entry. And the problem with that?
Apart from having to carry a card?
Nobody sells telus cards for local phone calls in my area! You can only buy long distance cards.
Plainly, telus are letting the payphones lapse in order to pull in the big bux with cell phones.
Plainly the government should recognize the conflict of intrests and give the payphone contract to another company.
I dont care if it is coin operated or card operated as long as it works.
Currently they dont and phones are very necessary to the economy.
I know of lots of guys who have not much more than 25 cents and a couple of numbers to call every monday for work. The payphones are the glue that keep their lives together. These guys may never have a working cellphone for more than a few weeks in the year but do lots of useful work especially in a booming economy. So, thats the economic arguement. Why is telus allowed to be so slovenly about their job and their payphone contracts.
Brian


Any thoughts.


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posted 28 February 2006 11:08 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think there is a payphone contract. Other suppliers are free to enter the business. For a brief time I saw some non-Bell payphones here in Toronto.

The thing is, they just aren't profitable and you really just don't see them much anymore outside of bus, train and plane stations. I don't see this trend changing.


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posted 02 March 2006 10:59 PM      Profile for Brian White   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think there is a contract. Otherwise, we would see phone boxes from different companys, not so? And if it is not profitable, i am pretty sure they can raise the rates?
We live in the holy free market, after all.
I mean, they didnt turn off the telus sign when the phone was broke and that costs money day and night.
I have just read that General motors wanted to get rid of trams so that they could sell more cars. And so they bought up the trolly bus companys and got rid of trolly busses in a few decades. And they they introduced bumpy ride greyhounds to ensure that nobody ever wanted public transit again.
Telus are in a conflict of interests situation.
The payphone job should be given to somebody else.
It is simply not logical to expect everyone to be able to afford a cell phone. A vast group of people cannot afford a cell phone or a land line.
Even if they have a job, not being able to phone potential bosses puts them very close to the street if they lose employment.
Perhaps it is something for the ndp to think about? It is like kicking someone when they are down. And women without a phone late at night? So poor females are partially confined to home cos they cannot phone? What a daft society we live in.
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Originally posted by Reality. Bites.:
I don't think there is a payphone contract. Other suppliers are free to enter the business. For a brief time I saw some non-Bell payphones here in Toronto.

The thing is, they just aren't profitable and you really just don't see them much anymore outside of bus, train and plane stations. I don't see this trend changing.



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posted 02 March 2006 11:08 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There isn't a contract. The companies pay the city for access for the pay phones.
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posted 02 March 2006 11:15 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Brian White:
I think there is a contract. Otherwise, we would see phone boxes from different companys, not so? And if it is not profitable, i am pretty sure they can raise the rates?

Like I said, we DO (or did) see boxes from other companies. There used to be one outside the corner store near me. Only thing I ever saw it used for was to hold people's lit cigarettes while they went in the store.

And raising rates on a product most people no longer want or care about only reduces demand further.

Access to pay phones is not a right and companies can't be compelled to provide an unprofitable service - remember, Telus doesn't have a monopoly on local phone service. Shaw is also in the field, and any other company that wants to can. If any kind of phone service were going to be considered a right, it would be potentially life-saving home service.

[ 02 March 2006: Message edited by: Reality. Bites. ]


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posted 06 March 2006 06:43 PM      Profile for Stiffler's Mom        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Exactly. since when is pay phone service a right? I wish Telus would get rid of the pay phone in my neighbourhood. Requiring a phone card would get rid of most of the crystal meth junkies at least.
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posted 07 March 2006 12:11 AM      Profile for Brian White   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I think the little people that you look down on and who clean up after you need them. Sorry.
And I think the economy needs them too. Because those little people do a hell of a lot of work.
Fine if they are card phones or have free dialing to certain job agencys. If we can afford a free hour of internet for any library card holder, every day, surely we can afford (as a society) to have phone access available to those too poor to have a cell phone or a landline?
Or is that too socially conscious for the modern left?

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posted 07 March 2006 01:36 AM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are pay phones in most libraries, at least in the central library in downtown Vancouver, they're on every floor.

[ 07 March 2006: Message edited by: Vansterdam Kid ]


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Brian White, I'm sure you'd love someone to continually pay for the repair of pay phones that are continually vandalized. You know the ones at 7-11s or gas stations in East Van that look like they were imported from Iraq. If you want a clean payphone go to the airport or or library. I'm tired of the meth and crack heads who huddle around these few remaining payphones waiting for the "man."
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Stupid. No crack heads wait by those phone. Moron. They think all the phones are tapped. Idiot.

Frankly, it used to be that a woman in trouble could count on a phone booth. Now there are none. Now if you forgot to charge your phone you are SOL.

Thanks corporate America!

[ 07 March 2006: Message edited by: Cueball ]


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posted 07 March 2006 06:03 AM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So there should be goverment funded pay phones in convinent locations, or goverment forced provision of pay phone services by phone companies? Brian, Cue?
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posted 07 March 2006 10:11 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
If we can afford a free hour of internet for any library card holder, every day, surely we can afford (as a society) to have phone access available to those too poor to have a cell phone or a landline?
Or is that too socially conscious for the modern left?

It's too stupid for the "modern left". If you made a pay phone "free" for one hour a day, you'd help one person. The guy who'd be on that phone talking to his girlfriend for an hour.


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posted 07 March 2006 10:53 AM      Profile for greenie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
It's too stupid for the "modern left". If you made a pay phone "free" for one hour a day, you'd help one person. The guy who'd be on that phone talking to his girlfriend for an hour.

So, what you're advocating is more free pay phones? Enough for the everyone? That way, you wouldn't just be helping "one guy".

For the record, I support more government funded services.


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Ya, I think we should have a free pay phone every 12 feet. The more people standing around yakking the better.

Whaaaaaaazzzzzzzuuuuuupppppp?


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I'm glad you agree that phone access is a right, not a privilege.
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posted 07 March 2006 11:41 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ya, I seem to recall it in the Charter somewhere, like maybe scribbled at the bottom with a Sharpie. That, and Cable tv. And not just the basic package, either! My grandfather didn't fight the Nazis so I could have the basic package!!
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My kids are given homework that expects them to have cable television. Community committees have to make special mailouts for the people not on email. We just assume that everyone is joining into the new technologies. We don't need payphones because anyone with half a brain has a cellphone.

Unfortunately, while more and more techonologies are spreading throughout the continent, more and more people are being left on the sideline. I remember a graph that compared the amount of people in NY who were online with the the amount of people in NY who were without phone service - the trends were very similiar.

Magoo it may not be a charter right, but it is a government regulated service. They can be required to ensure that the service is provided for all. Tommy Douglas forced the phone companies to provide rural service in Saskatchewan. Surely we can ask them to provide and maintain a minimum number of payphones.


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posted 07 March 2006 12:27 PM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My best friend's pa works for Telus, and they reallllly don't like payphones - costs about $0.36 to the company for each phone call made from them, due to maintenance and equipment costs. I don't think the decline of the payphone is really accelerating the rise of cellphones, or a grand conspiracy by Telus or others, but I think it provides incentive to a company to not maintain a service that costs them money in favour of one that makes them money.

There are ways to design phones to make them less prone to other uses (also ways to design bathrooms, etc. to make them less prone to drug use, etc. - a theory more utilized in Europe than here). Though anyone who thinks drug use will simply dissapear is phone booths do is being ridiculous. And the solution to vanadalism is not to remove things that can be vandalized - neighborhoods where drug addicts wait in phone booths have bigger problems than the phone booths. But simply letting the current ones be eliminated due to attrition of vandalism, or making them impossible to use because of the need for local phone cards that noone sells, is socially irresponsible.

Telling someone to traipse to a local library, which has limited operating hours, or go the airport, or simply without, is insenstive and stupid. Next time I don't feel safe on the street, or missed the last bus, or my car broke down, and want to call for a ride or a taxi, I guess I'll just walk to the airport, or wait for a library to open, since I don't own a cell phone. Or, because I'm white and clean cut, maybe some stranger will lend me their cellphone. Unless they're the reason I don't feel safe, of course. Then I guess I'm screwed, just like all those people who'd need a phone that most people wouldn't trust enough to look at let alone hand their cell to.

And, to correct a posted above, yes, companies can be forced to provide unprofitable services - that's what regulation is about, at times. Provide X unprofitable service for the ability to provide Y service that gives them oodles of cash. (Think: rural phone service.) It does, however, require the public will to make politicians link the two. A Crown or similar is also an option. Again, requires public and/or political will.

So, yes, I think that there should be some requirement for some level of publicly accessible phone provision in public places. I won't set out my grand plan for how many per square mile, or population density required for one, but I think that public safety and those most marginal to society are best served by the provision of phone booths. And I'm not going to act like an ass and mock those who dare to suggest that the there might be something more important than the bottom line of a phone company, or ignore the reality that people on the bottom rung of society face at times.

*edited to add*

Heard on the radio this morning that there is a plan to make downtown Toronto a wi-fi zone. Wireless internet everywhere in downtown. So, one expects me to believe that its possible to provide such a service that obviously will benefit the elite and upper/middle of our society, and I'm assuming will be paid for by the city government, but a few working payphones in the same area is too much to ask.

[ 07 March 2006: Message edited by: swirrlygrrl ]


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Just around the corner from my new pad there are two phone booths side by side. One Sask-Tel, one Telus. They are within sight of another payphone kiosk attached to the McDonald's. If payphones are such a bad business what is Telus doing putting one in my neighbourhood in Regina, four hundred and seventeen kms outside of Alberta?

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quote:
Originally posted by Vansterdam Kid:
So there should be goverment funded pay phones in convinent locations, or goverment forced provision of pay phone services by phone companies? Brian, Cue?

Why not?


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quote:
Originally posted by Brian White:
Well, I think the little people that you look down on and who clean up after you need them. Sorry.

You mean junkies? They don't even pick up their own dirty needles.

Look. Pay phones aren't a right. There should be few of them and they should be in well lit areas. And if they keep getting vandalized, that's a pretty strong indication that the phone is in the wrong spot.


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quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:

Why not?


Yeah exactly. why shouldn't the government pay for it. The government should pay for everything and let people smoke their lives away. My ex-husband does this. Just gets into barfights, smokes drugs and drinks all the time. What a productive life.


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posted 07 March 2006 07:05 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Right and that was because of free telephones. Are you going to blame your husband's problems on the sidewalks paid for by the government as well?

I mean how else to crack heads get to the crack house, if not by walking on streets paid for by the tax payer?


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No, I'm just saying that such people don't deserve more free things from the government.
I get kind of tired of the solution to everything being more free stuff from the government.

Ultimately it was their choice to smoke drugs. I realize we can't ban sidewalks too and your point is well taken.

And to clarify things, my ex is off dope now, but he's still an asshole.


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I don't smoke crack, and I would like my girlfriend to have access to payphones, so that she has quick access to 911 should your husbands friends make the moves on her, should she be out late at night.

Is that such a big deal for you?

PS she doesn't smoke crack either.

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quote:
Originally posted by Stiffler's Mom:
My ex-husband does this. Just gets into barfights, smokes drugs and drinks all the time.

Was he that way before you started sleeping around with your son's friends? Or am I thinking of another Stiffler's (or "Stifler's") Mom?

(But what do I know? I'm just a Krazee Eyes Killa.)


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No, he was an idiot from the start.

I guess I should have known better when he told me that he lost an ear in a barfight!


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Ah. I may have mistaken you for someone else, then.
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Sorry, I probably got a bit out of hand. I guess I'm still bitter and am quick to anger over anything that resembles an excuse.

I don't even believe my ex was addicted to pot. I think that he was just saying that as an excuse to not work.

But there are a lot of good people not like him. And I agree with the point made that some pay phones should be available for safety of innocent people. It's a hard balance to have enough for safety without creating safety hazards themselves.


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I wasnt advocating "free" payphones. The only thing free about the vandalized payphone down the street is the advertizing that telus gets from it.
(For some reason the telus sign didnt get vandalized).
I did mention that free internet IS provided at conciderable expence in librarys.
Thats hardware and software and administration and programmers.
And making them cardphones eliminates much of the vandalism. And putting time limits on individual phone calls makes them multiuser.
And if necessary, the phone can have a job agency logo lamp over it (for advertizing revinue) and free access to that job agency. Or something like the jim pattison adverts on all the bus shelters in victoria. Why not on the phone booths?
I work in construction. A whole lot of people live their weekend with little thought for monday or the rest of their lives. A whole lot of those people have a really good work ethic when they are at work. But without a payphone on monday, those silly (but hardworking) people will not get work.
And so they will be forced into a life of crime.
And new house prices will spiral and home repairs
after robberys will take years because of no labour available. A cruel decent into the dark ages.
And all because of no payfones!
When I moved to london, england I didnt have a landline at first and i had to phone the job agencys or visit them every morning to see if they had work. Without payphones, i could not have goten work, Plain and simple. and without work, I couldnt afford a landline in my shared rental.
If you were born and raised with a silver spoon in your mouth, you might not appreciate that chicken and egg situation.
Anyway,
Poor people need payphones. Women late at night would be very glad to have payphones as an emergency option. And construction and restaurants need payphones to have access to labour.
Yeah, if you are really, really really selfish you might not appreciate those things. But hey, thats your right.

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What grates my ass even more than the slow decline of pay phone provision is the tendency of the telco to make phones in East Vancouver "Emergency Call Only" phones after 9 pm.

You can't even use a calling card on them after 9!

I ranted about this a few years ago and it boiled down to the fact that this is discriminatory provision of phone service based solely on the assumption that trash on the East Side don't deserve access to pay phones because they might use them to deal drugs.

In the United States, many pay phones now explicitly state that the outbound telephone numbers are recorded in a special database and that calls may be recorded for the purpose of determining if you're into drug trafficking.

We're not there yet, but the clear lack of effort in dealing with the problem at its source and the focus instead on band-aid, law-and-order style responses is a classic example of the slithering paranoia that is running through our society.

Poor Telus, 36 cents a call when they're raking in a few hundred million a year on $32 a month local service for a basic package plus long distance rates that haven't changed much in a decade.


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quote:
Originally posted by Stiffler's Mom:
No, he was an idiot from the start.

I guess I should have known better when he told me that he lost an ear in a barfight!



Mrs. Dagmar?


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posted 08 March 2006 05:13 PM      Profile for Stiffler's Mom        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not anymore.
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posted 08 March 2006 07:40 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Man. Where's Carl Spackler, Danny Noonan, and the Bishop when you need 'em?
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I'm not worried about payphones, I'm more worried about the lack of pay TVs. They used to be everywhere, in bus stations, airports. Now, you can't find them.

I know TV isn't a right but man, a few pay TVs on the corner of each neighbourhood would help out the little guy.


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You can not use a Pay TV to phone the police when you are running from a gang. Just so you know.

So, when you are in this situation and see one of these handily available Pay TV's don't stop to consider the possibility that it might be useful. Just keep running.

Why do I feel the need to caution you about this?

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this is easily one of the dumbest and most reactionary threads on babble in a while....

editted to add: mostly, there are some posts that stand as exceptions.

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quote:
Originally posted by person:
this is easily one of the dumbest and most reactionary threads on babble in a while.... mostly, there are some posts that stand as exceptions.

I'm confused. By "dumbest and most reactionary threads," I take it you're not referring to the idea behind the thread in the first place, or the people who agreed with that idea.

Which leaves a few people who made jokes (like Mr. Magoo, doing his usual contrarian thing), and a couple of people who showed up just to say "oooh, junkies and drug dealers might use pay phones!" (1K Wedding, a.k.a. far away eyes, a.k.a. letitbleed; and Stiffler's Mom, who appears to be related to Ty Webb, Al_Czervik, and a number of other very similarly minded people who've posted over the last couple of years).

I mainly posted here to refer (admittedly somewhat elliptically) to the posting histories of the latter, but I tend to agree with most posters above that the removal of pay phones isn't a good trend.

[ 09 March 2006: Message edited by: Yossarian ]


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I like this thread, we got updated on the whereabouts and happenings of Dagmar. Besides, who doesn't like to hear a bit of Valley Drama every now and then? Who says the Valley is boring, because it sure isn't!

More seriously though, I appreciate swirrlygrrl's explanation of how this service could be provided.

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quote:
Originally posted by swirrlygrrl:

Heard on the radio this morning that there is a plan to make downtown Toronto a wi-fi zone. Wireless internet everywhere in downtown. So, one expects me to believe that its possible to provide such a service that obviously will benefit the elite and upper/middle of our society, and I'm assuming will be paid for by the city government, but a few working payphones in the same area is too much to ask.


I thought the idea was that Toronto Hydro would sell access to the wi-fi network, which would actually be a source of revenue for the city. But I only heard it in passing, so I'm not sure.

Nevertheless, I agree wholeheartedly with your idea.


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"Which leaves a few people who made jokes (like Mr. Magoo, doing his usual contrarian thing), and a couple of people who showed up just to say "oooh, junkies and drug dealers might use pay phones!" (1K Wedding, a.k.a. far away eyes, a.k.a. letitbleed; and Stiffler's Mom, who appears to be related to Ty Webb, Al_Czervik, and a number of other very similarly minded people who've posted over the last couple of years)."

exactley....


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quote:
Originally posted by swirrlygrrl:

Telling someone to traipse to a local library, which has limited operating hours, or go the airport, or simply without, is insenstive and stupid. Next time I don't feel safe on the street, or missed the last bus, or my car broke down, and want to call for a ride or a taxi, I guess I'll just walk to the airport, or wait for a library to open, since I don't own a cell phone. Or, because I'm white and clean cut, maybe some stranger will lend me their cellphone. Unless they're the reason I don't feel safe, of course. Then I guess I'm screwed, just like all those people who'd need a phone that most people wouldn't trust enough to look at let alone hand their cell to.

..And, to correct a posted above, yes, companies can be forced to provide unprofitable services - that's what regulation is about, at times. Provide X unprofitable service for the ability to provide Y service that gives them oodles of cash. (Think: rural phone service.) It does, however, require the public will to make politicians link the two. A Crown or similar is also an option. Again, requires public and/or political will...

[ 07 March 2006: Message edited by: swirrlygrrl ]


I believe that payphone service was a requirement before de-regulation of telecom services first in the US and then in Canada (late 80's? Early 90's? Mulroney era, probably). It wasn't profitable, but was a required component of getting a license to provide services, as I understand. So now instead of your friendly neighbourhood telephone booth, we have an explosion of private cell towers polluting the skyline and the airwaves. Do companies have to pay for taking up vertical space or for the uglification of neighbourhoods that host cell towers? One would hope.

Pay phones should be lobbied back into requirement. I think it is a public safety issue, and also simply a goodwill public service - something our private telephone companies can easily afford. Ever really look at your Telus bill and wonder what all those nickel and dime charges are for? Try multiplying nickels and dimes by several million urban accounts on a monthly basis and you can see why even a nickel makes a difference to Telus.


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