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Abdul_Maria
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posted 26 August 2006 12:13 PM      Profile for Abdul_Maria     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yesterday i had a conversation with a wonderful, super-nice person, with deep roots in Northern California.

i pointed out that being genuinely anti-war means drawing a line in the sand, and saying, "this community refuses to participate in the killing of Iraqi and Lebanese civilians" - and following that up with action.

in this case, that would mean cutting off the electricity to the local military recruiting offices, and escorting the terrorist recruiters out of town.

this town just lost a young person to the war, to Bush-Cheney's madness.

this town has a Economics Localization project, like Willits.

i would love to participate, to contribute some hands-on engineering experience to locally generated electricity.

but not for the US military.

the response that i hear from people that claim to be anti-war is that, "one ought not to take the anti-war thing too Literally. Let's think instead about the Progress that is being made, in other areas of society".

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it is not realistic to think that the "American Left" is going to re-gain control over the nation's military.

it is out of control, it is on a killing binge, it deserves to be stopped just as surely as Mr. Hitler deserved to be stopped.

i hope someday Canada or Venezuela come to understand that they are providing fuel for the same horrors of war that we read about at cbc.ca.

i hope Canada and Venezuela realize that they have the power to stop some of America's madness. by simply choosing to channel your & their energy resources to other nations, nations which do not engage in state sponsored terrorism.


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Ken Burch
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posted 26 August 2006 12:46 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A lot of us aren't like that, Abdul. I think you had a surprise encounter with a Clintonite.
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Banjo
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posted 26 August 2006 02:05 PM      Profile for Banjo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Abdul_Maria:

ii hope Canada and Venezuela realize that they have the power to stop some of America's madness. by simply choosing to channel your & their energy resources to other nations, nations which do not engage in state sponsored terrorism.

So you think the US government, and the US corporations which control Canada, would allow us to do that?


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Stephen Gordon
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posted 26 August 2006 02:56 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It wouldn't matter - oil is a fungible commodity. US buyers would just go to the producers who used to supply the markets that Canadian producers had gone to.
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Fidel
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posted 26 August 2006 04:01 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would have to be something along the lines of a UN embargo, like the decades-long medieval sieges of Iraq, N. Korea and Cuba.

I think Hitler's war machine eventually ran out of oil at the last, but not before they went on a killing frenzy in the Baltics trying to secure an oil supply route.


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Abdul_Maria
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posted 27 August 2006 01:08 PM      Profile for Abdul_Maria     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stephen Gordon:
It wouldn't matter - oil is a fungible commodity. US buyers would just go to the producers who used to supply the markets that Canadian producers had gone to.

i have worked with a few purchasing departments, and in general all the purchasing managers that i've worked with would agree that it is bad manners to attempt to depose or bomb your suppliers. i think they would also say it's bad manners - worse than bad manners - to spread toxic nuclear waste all over the country.

that is how the United States treats Venezuela and Iraq.

oil is becoming more and more scarce. that this is an understatement is footnoted endlessly at
http://www.energybulletin.com/

they are an energy periodical news aggregator type website.

in a condition of scarce oil, Canada has a lot of power over the US.

i would say Canada under-estimates her strength.

Canada has a stable currency, the US does not.

Canada has adequate energy and water resources - the US does not.

Canada treats their working people well. America treats their working people like SH*T.

America has a lot of people working in the role of middleman. mortgage brokers being one example.

America has stopped publishing her money supply numbers. America is printing a lot of money.

"So you think the US government, and the US corporations which control Canada, would allow us to do that?"

yes, if the Canadian public voted for it.


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Banjo
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posted 27 August 2006 02:07 PM      Profile for Banjo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Abdul_Maria:

"So you think the US government, and the US corporations which control Canada, would allow us to do that?"

yes, if the Canadian public voted for it.


I think the public voted for Salvatore Allende.

With respect it seems your proposal is based on a naive attitude about the power of democracy. How would the public be presented with these proposals, as the corporations control the mass media?

Under the Canadian constitution, Provinces control resources. Alberta, the most rightwing part of Canada and the province with most of the oil, would certainly attempt to succeed in the almost impossibe event that some Federal government tried to implement your boycott.


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Stephen Gordon
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posted 27 August 2006 03:52 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why not suspend exports of manufactured goods to the US? They're worth two or three times the value of energy exports.
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