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bliter
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posted 14 December 2007 12:27 AM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great news from Toshiba. Hope the GM Volt team is watching and listening. Unfortunately, nothing about costs:

Please learn how to use the URL feature...

[Edited by Michelle to get rid of sidescroll]

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posted 14 December 2007 06:42 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok this one has to be it TAT sidescroll
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posted 14 December 2007 06:51 AM      Profile for Noise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lol nice Remind


I'm not fully convinced that lithium battery technology is an appropriate path to follow... Phosphorous and other battery technologies make use of less rare and less harmful to dispose elements.

Though a 10 minute charge battery would serve to address car range pretty well... I wonder how much power it would actually suck back (electric recharge stations as opposed to gas stations?)


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posted 14 December 2007 11:31 AM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Noise,

Consider the toxins that fossil fuels would have dispensed over the life of those 10-year-life (estimated) batteries. And undoubtedly those whole batteries will be recyclable.

Whatever batteries are decided upon it will be a compromise between availability of materials, efficiency (read, power/weight ratio) and cost.


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posted 14 December 2007 12:04 PM      Profile for Noise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not questioning the application, just wondering if Lithium is infact the best material to be using based on the availability and cost.

Though, I wouldn't be gung ho about this quite yet:

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Consider the toxins that fossil fuels would have dispensed over the life of those 10-year-life (estimated) batteries. And undoubtedly those whole batteries will be recyclable.

Working on the assumption that the electricity is ultimately being generated by an alternate source, for the time being... This is not true.

Reducing the need to drive is still a much better reduction in emissions.

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posted 14 December 2007 01:05 PM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An extremely important point, I feel, that is being ignored is that with plug-in electric vehicles, drivers will drastically change their driving habits. This should, invariably, be for the better for both the wallet or purse and the environment.

Perhaps there's a future for sulpher or aluminum in battery choice. Iron batteries used with the first electric vehicles are still good today but give little range. I'd be happy with top-of-the-line lead/gel as used in golf carts.

Cleaner electricity is coming online and should keep pace with increased EV acquisition. It won't be an overnight happening, with the majority switching to the grid.


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posted 14 December 2007 02:36 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
At the other end of the enviro-consciousness scale, the Bullitt Mustang returns.
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posted 03 January 2008 12:17 PM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Following Noise's expressed concern re: availability of lithium, came up with this extremely well written and researched article on the element - and other battery choices.

I would not be surprised if the industry, when it gets the lead out, goes for aluminum/air. It must be an exciting field to be working in, today:

http://ergobalance.blogspot.com/2006/10/electric-vehicles-and-world-lithium.html


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