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Gabby Hayes
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posted 31 March 2004 12:05 PM      Profile for Gabby Hayes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/entertainment/2960558/detail.html

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A Norwegian neo-Nazi admitted he was behind the bombings of a youth group headquarters in the 1990s. Johnny Olsen turned himself in to police over the weekend after seeing Mel Gibson's movie and being moved by it. His lawyer told newspapers Olsen's confession hit like "a bolt of lightning."


The movie has pushed others to admit to crimes committed. A Texas man admitted killing his girlfriend, whose death initially was ruled a suicide. (Read that story here.)

And in Arizona, a burglary suspect saw the light -- after seeing the movie.

Officers in Mesa, Ariz., say 20-year-old Turner Lee Bingham walked up and confessed to about a half-dozen burglaries. The officers were checking a burglar alarm at a cell phone store at the time.

They said Bingham told them that he had taken $80 from the cash register there. Bingham said he decided to fess up to his crimes after seeing the movie about the last hours of Christ's life.


Still looking for the 'anti-semitic' Christians that Abe Foxman and Auntie claimed were going to burn synagogues after seeing the movie.


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Scout
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posted 31 March 2004 12:41 PM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wasn't aware that they had caught the person(s) responsible for the anti-semetic grave destroying and tagging here in Toronto that occured aboust a week or so ago. So we might have to wait and see what caused it before you make blanket claims like you have in your thread title.
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Gabby Hayes
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posted 31 March 2004 02:29 PM      Profile for Gabby Hayes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How long do we wait, Scout? Been more than 5 weeks now, and no one has rushed out of the theatre and burned down a synagogue.

Won't you be delighted it if such a thing were to happen? How righteous and mighty would be outrage. Oh, those evil Christians!

The only hatred this movie has generated has come from those who hate Christians, and Jewish groups.


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posted 31 March 2004 02:32 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*Pssst!* Hey Scout: don't feed the trolls.
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Gabby Hayes
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posted 31 March 2004 02:35 PM      Profile for Gabby Hayes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A 'troll' is someone who doesn't mindlessly agree that the claim that Christianity is 'anti-semetic'? A troll is someone who links the good news that the movie the passion has prompted 3 confessions for crimes, but no 'anti-semetic' incidents.

How full of hate are you "progressives"?


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Black Dog
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posted 31 March 2004 02:38 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No a troll is someone who posts crap like:

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How long do we wait, Scout? Been more than 5 weeks now, and no one has rushed out of the theatre and burned down a synagogue. Won't you be delighted it if such a thing were to happen? How righteous and mighty would be outrage. Oh, those evil Christians!

The only hatred this movie has generated has come from those who hate Christians, and Jewish groups.



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A 'troll' is someone who doesn't mindlessly agree that the claim that Christianity is 'anti-semetic'? A troll is someone who links the good news that the movie the passion has prompted 3 confessions for crimes, but no 'anti-semetic' incidents.
How full of hate are you "progressives"?

Troll.


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posted 31 March 2004 02:40 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anti-semitic attacks on the rise in Europe: study

Hmmm is The Passion of the Christ responsible for rising hatred of Jews or is rising hatred of Jews responsible for The Passion of the Christ? Or perhaps there is some Jew hating constant?


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posted 31 March 2004 02:40 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On the other hand, Gabby, Ontario has seen the officiation of thousands of same-sex marriages in the last year, and so far society hasn't come to a standstill, there isn't panic in the streets, and our children aren't dropping out of school to become gay porn stars.

How long do we wait?


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A troll is someone who links the good news that the movie the passion has prompted 3 confessions for crimes, but no 'anti-semetic' incidents.

I don't know if you can simply link these three confessions to watching the movie.

And just because you haven't read about anti-semetic incidents doesn't mean they haven't or aren't happening.


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When I read your first post in this thread, Gabby, I was thinking you had an "I told you so" intention. Now with your comments about hate and progressives, I see the finger-pointing seems to continue.

Trolls are also known to make intentionally inflammatory statements.

If we're misunderstanding you (and it wouldn't be the first time I've misunderstood someone), why don't you show us a clearer, less accusatory set of comments?


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What's wrong, you hate-filled scumbag? Don't tell me you aren't disappointed that the 3 kids arrested didn't immediately start crying that the passion made them do it.

Gibson's movie is taken directly from the gospel according to St Matthew, with a few minor exceptions. So if Gibson's movie is 'anti-semetic" than so is Christianity.

Of course, Christianity isn't anti-semetic, but don't let that get in the way of your hatred.


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I'm responding to other threads I've read here where the voices were unanimous in claiming the Passion was "anti-semetic".

Is disagreeing with you, and demonstrating facts to the contrary, a crime? You so dislike it when facts get in the way that anyone who brings them to your attention is a 'troll'?


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posted 31 March 2004 02:46 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby Hayes:
Of course, Christianity isn't anti-semetic, but don't let that get in the way of your hatred.

Of course, you'd know that I agree with you on this point, being a Lutheran Christian.

As for your reference to me as a "scumbag," I have to tell you I've heard a lot worse.


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Gabby Hayes
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posted 31 March 2004 02:48 PM      Profile for Gabby Hayes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wasn't calling you a hate-filled scumbag, pax. You popped in between my response to BD
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paxamillion
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posted 31 March 2004 02:53 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby Hayes:
I wasn't calling you a hate-filled scumbag, pax. You popped in between my response to BD

Okay, thanks for that. I find quoting first helps reduce that confusion.


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posted 31 March 2004 02:55 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bye, Gabby.
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posted 31 March 2004 02:57 PM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Damn I was too slow with my incendiary wit!
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posted 31 March 2004 02:59 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scout:
Damn I was too slow with my incendiary wit!

You could still let it fly and hope Gabby reads it.


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Gibson's movie is taken directly from the gospel according to St Matthew, with a few minor exceptions. So if Gibson's movie is 'anti-semetic" than so is Christianity.

Where in the Gospel of St. Matthew do you have a group of Jewish children hounding Jesus while their faces turn into the faces of demons? Is there a footnote somewhere that I've missed?


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Where in the Gospel of St. Matthew do you have a group of Jewish children hounding Jesus while their faces turn into the faces of demons? Is there a footnote somewhere that I've missed?

Be honest Mycroft, you skipped the appendix didnt you?


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The problem (as I see it) is that you rarely can prove motivation in this manner. Any number of anti-semetic acts could be done as a result of the passion but its far more likely it served as a fuel for the flame, rarely the match itself so you prob wont get anyone saying I did this because of the Passion whereas the nature of the movie could move someone with that ideology to a act of contrition. There just isnt enough obvious anti-semeticism in the movie to provoke actions because of it alone so they get a free pass from finger pointing proof
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quote:
Originally posted by Mycroft:

Is there a footnote somewhere that I've missed?


It's in the extended dance remix.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gabby Hayes:
Gibson's movie is taken directly from the gospel according to St Matthew, with a few minor exceptions. So if Gibson's movie is 'anti-semetic" than so is Christianity.

Actually, the screenplay is strongly influenced by the visions of five Catholic mystics as well as being based on Matthew.


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quote:
Originally posted by Andy Social:

It's in the extended dance remix.

Is that the one where Jesus breakdances?


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posted 31 March 2004 05:39 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aw, I missed the kick off!
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If you missed the kick off then you should order your Jesus football bobble head soon.
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You mean Touchdown Jesus?

[ 31 March 2004: Message edited by: black_dog ]


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Isn't there a song with a line that goes something like "drop-kick me Jesus, through the goal posts of life"?
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There is.

quote:
Drop kick me Jesus through the goal posts of life
End over end neither left nor to right
Straight through the heart of them righteous uprights
Drop kick me Jesus through the goal posts of life.

Make me, oh make me, Lord more than I am
Make me a piece in your master game plan
Free from the earthly tempestion below
I’ve got the will, Lord if you’ve got the toe....


And so on, and so forth, and such like.


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Thank you 'lance. I no longer feel absolutely that I know some of the lines to "I Love this Bar", because I heard it so much on the radi-O.
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There's a Canadian folky collection out there on CD that has a tune by one "Washboard hank" that has lines such as:

"Are you scrubbed, on the board
Are you scrubbed on the washboard of the Lord?
Is your soul as bright and shiny
As a brand new Fairlaine Ford?
Are you scrubbed on the washboard of the Lord?

Are you scrubbed, on the board
Are you scrubbed on the washboard of the Lord?
As you stickhandle to heaven
Will they shout, "He shoots, he scores!"?
Are you scrubbed on the washboard of the Lord?

Are you scrubbed, on the board
Are you scrubbed on the washboard of the Lord?
As you plummet straight to Hell
Will he pull that old ripcord?
Are you scrubbed on the washboard of the Lord?


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quote:
There's a Canadian folky collection out there on CD that has a tune by one "Washboard hank"

Ha, I know Washboard Hank, he lives in Peterborough. Infact my dad used to play fiddle with him in "Washboard Hank and the Honkers".


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Neo-Nazi admits bombing after seeing The Passion:
Earlier, Texas man confessed to murder after seeing film about Christ


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quote:
Poll: More Now Believe Jews Killed Jesus




By The Associated Press

April 2, 2004, 4:28 PM EST

The percentage of Americans who believe Jews were responsible for killing Jesus has grown in recent years, although it remains a view held by a minority of people, according to a poll released Friday.

The survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found 26 percent of respondents believe Jews were to blame for the Crucifixion, up from 19 percent in ABC News poll in 1997.

The greatest increase was among young people and blacks.

Thirty-four percent of those under age 30 now believe Jews were responsible, compared to 10 percent in 1997, the Pew Center said. And 42 percent of blacks hold that view, compared to 21 percent seven years ago.

The poll was conducted amid controversy over Mel Gibson's epic "The Passion of the Christ." Some say the film unfairly portrays the role of Jews in Jesus' death, while Gibson and others insisted the movie is not anti-Semitic and is faithful to Gospel accounts.

The film, funded by Gibson, has been a big hit, earning more than $300 million.

The Pew survey did not ask whether respondents believe Jews today should be blamed for the Crucifixon. But they noted that an ABC poll this year found an overwhelming majority of people rejected that view.

The Pew survey of 1,703 adults was conducted March 17-21 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.



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What's going to happen when the US "Christian" Fundies discover that Italians killed Christ?
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Well, the US fundies are Protestants, so they'll use it as further evidence that the Pope is the Antichrist for future publications like this one.
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