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sarabble
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posted 10 November 2005 01:34 PM      Profile for sarabble     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This looks interesting: Arsenal Pulp Press has just released an anthology about sex and the modern femme called With a Rough Tongue: Femmes Write Porn. Interesting diction in the title - brings up all sorts of questions: what's the difference between porn and erotica - in the writing itself, and also in the stigma or taboo attached to those words. What's the signifance of choosing the perhaps braver word "porn" for the title of this anthology, and what happens when women stop being the objects of porn and begin producing it? (Good things, I'll wager.)
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brebis noire
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posted 10 November 2005 01:40 PM      Profile for brebis noire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What's the difference between femmes and women?
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andrean
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posted 10 November 2005 01:44 PM      Profile for andrean     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Femmes can be queer women, men or transgendered persons who are "feminine" in appearance/attitude. Whatever that happens to mean to them.

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Makwa
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posted 10 November 2005 01:53 PM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Havn't read it, but I hear it's very steamy and tres literate. Gosh, I blush just hearing the title.
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thwap
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posted 10 November 2005 02:23 PM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i thought it was about cats. there are all sorts of toxins on their tongues though, so watch out.
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deBeauxOs
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posted 10 November 2005 02:35 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Femmes have intoxicating tongues - totally organic and toxin-free.
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posted by thwap: i thought it was about cats. there are all sorts of toxins on their tongues though, so watch out.

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thwap
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posted 10 November 2005 02:46 PM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by deBeauxOs:
Femmes have intoxicating tongues - totally organic and toxin-free.

i knew that.


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Jim Rodger
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posted 10 November 2005 07:17 PM      Profile for Jim Rodger     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sarabble:
Interesting diction in the title - brings up all sorts of questions: what's the difference between porn and erotica - in the writing itself, and also in the stigma or taboo attached to those words.

The only useful distinction I've ever heard between porn and erotica came up in a CBC Radio interview some years ago around yet another fight between Canada Post and the Little Sisters Bookshop in Vancouver. The interviewer (f) asked the interviewee (also f) to explain the difference as that was a key point in the legal dispute (erotica=good, porn=bad, at least if you're Canada Post). The answer, which has served me well ever since: "If it turns you on, it's porn. If it turns me on, it's erotica."

If anybody has a better way to make the distinction, I'd love to hear it.


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bigcitygal
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posted 16 November 2005 10:45 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you sarabble for starting this thread.

I know I'm arriving a bit late at this thread, but I couldn't not post here, as I'm one of the writers in the anthology. I mentioned this in a thread almost 2 months ago, in a display of shameless promotion for the Toronto book launch, and I looked for the thread and couldn't find it. Sorry! It might have been a feminist forum thread about pornography, I can't remember.

It's my first time being published in an actual book, so I'm quite proud of myself.

The editors Amber Dawn and Trish wanted this anthology to be hard, rough and real, rather unlike some classic lesbian erotica that has a tendency and is perhaps stereotypically often very flowery and romantic with language.

As far as I can see, they succeeded.


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audra trower williams
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posted 16 November 2005 10:53 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ooooh, I have an advance copy of this. Now I really wanna know what story is yours.
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bigcitygal
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posted 16 November 2005 11:23 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hee hee, audra.

Enjoy the book!

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andrean
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posted 16 November 2005 02:54 PM      Profile for andrean     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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A fundamentalist Christian lesbian vampire, a drag queen, a sex-trade worker and her FTM tranny boyfriend explode the definition of “femme” as “exhibiting stereotypical or exaggerated feminine traits” in a new anthology edited by Amber Dawn and Trish Kelly. With a Rough Tongue: Femmes Write Porn is a collection of fiercely, occasionally violently, sexy but cerebral hard core, mainly by established-but-edgy authors including Anna Camillieri, Nalo Hopkinson, Suki Lee and Michael V. Smith (in the form of his drag alter-ego, Miss Cookie LaWhore).
That a collection of literary femme porn includes a story by a gay guy dressed as a girl isn’t the biggest surprise in this anthology: that honour goes to the editors’ achievement in gathering a group of stories that salaciously (and sometimes shockingly) upend the convention of femmes as passive and sexually submissive.

source: fab magazine, issue 278
(fab doesn't archive their Spotlights online, but since I wrote the review, I'm pretty sure no copyright infringement is occurring.

I prefer the written word to images, especially where porn/erotica is concerned: fiction demands participation from the reader, and works of the imagination remove the exploitation that can occur when real bodies are used to create sexual images. While I don't think that women, even feminist women, producing porn is going to solve the problems associated with the pornography industry, offering an alternative to the mainstream can't hurt.


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GODDESS DAUGHTER
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posted 16 November 2005 03:05 PM      Profile for GODDESS DAUGHTER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
< What`s the differance between a femme and a woman?>

Femme is a way of life, a identity of how you show your womanness. Femmes do not need to be lesbian but many might remember the book Stone Butch Blues. That book gives a good read on femmes and butch women. I gave it to my daughter to read to help her understand what femme and butch ment.

GD


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Babbling_Jenn
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posted 17 November 2005 01:57 PM      Profile for Babbling_Jenn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, Stone Butch Blues. One of my favourite books ever.

I highly recommend it to anyone, but especially anyone who cares about trans/queer politics and wants to learn more.

It also has a lot of interesting material on unions and the politics of labour.

GOOD READ


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