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Crippled_Newsie
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posted 30 March 2006 09:43 AM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Salon

Highlights from the Christians and the Values Voter in 2006 conference:

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They warned that Christianity is on the verge of being criminalized in America, and they harped on the manifold dangers of the "homosexual agenda."

Perhaps worrying that anti-gay rhetoric hasn't been sufficiently inflammatory lately, some speakers urged listeners to start using more scatological and stigmatizing language. Peter LaBarbera, who heads the Illinois Family Institute and is known for his obsession with gay men's most outré sexual practices, told the audience, "My greatest frustration has been our side's inability to make homosexual behavior an issue in the public's mind." In order to inspire the kind of revulsion he wants to see more of, he read from a [scatological] posting on a gay message board...

"I don't think so-called GLBT teens are told anything like this" by their school counselors, LaBarbera said. "We need to find ways to bring shame back to those who are practicing and advocating homosexual behavior."
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"America is no longer good. Unrighteousness, evil, corruption, perversion and death are now standard operating procedure in the United States of America. If we do not put an end to it now, in this moment of divine destiny, then God will and God should judge America."
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The language of religious authoritarianism has become at least somewhat politically acceptable.
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"A spiritual invasion is taking place," [Pastor Rod] Parsley roared to the packed banquet hall on Tuesday morning, drawing out the "a" in invasion.

"...Man your battle stations! Ready your weapons!" He paused to take a preemptive jab at his critics, his voice going soft and scolding: "They say, 'his rhetoric is so inciting.'" Then he nearly screamed, "I came to incite a riot! Man your battle stations! Ready your weapons! Lock and load!"



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No Yards
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posted 30 March 2006 09:54 AM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Good thing (too bad?) he didn't give his speech in Farsi or Arabic ... he could then be legally assassinated.
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posted 30 March 2006 09:58 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
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Then he nearly screamed, "I came to incite a riot! Man your battle stations! Ready your weapons! Lock and load!"


Someone oughtta give "Pastor" Parsley a taste of his own medicine.

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If we do not put an end to it now, in this moment of divine destiny, then God will and God should judge America."


Spot the Dominionist cultist.

What's really disgusting is that these freaks aren't even making any attempt to "dress it up" or hide it any more. I expect civil war within five years.

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posted 30 March 2006 12:06 PM      Profile for ElizaQ     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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I expect civil war within five years

Something is brewing. The spiritual 'progressives' are finally starting to organize in a bigger and ecumenical manner.

Spiritual Activism Conference

http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=1322

Imagine these two groups of people together...


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"America is no longer good. Unrighteousness, evil, corruption, perversion and death are now standard operating procedure in the United States of America."

I totally agree with this statement. I mean, BEFORE homosexuality was invented in the 1960's america was rightous, good, free of corruption. There were no perverts. And, moreover, nobody ever DIED.

"Then he nearly screamed, "I came to incite a riot! Man your battle stations! Ready your weapons! Lock and load!" "

Lock and load? That is one bizzare sermon if I've ever heard one. "And Jesus said unto his deciples.... LOCK AND LOAD! and he smote his enemies with a sawed-off shotgun.

- [ Guns 3:67 - G.I Joe version ]

[ 30 March 2006: Message edited by: West Coast Greeny ]


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posted 30 March 2006 02:27 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I am absolutely disgusted in that piece of shit hole to the south of us. If there is any reason for avoiding that place at all costs, this is it. Lock and Load?? Are they encouraging killings? Sure sounds like it to me.

I am sorry if I offended you progressive Americans but Jesus h Christ, look at the shit this country is doing, and they have the nerve to talk about the human rights issue of any country.

Someone needs to stop these people before a whole lot of people end up dead because these religious freaks love killing 'sinners' so much.

Deluded freaks.


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JPG
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posted 30 March 2006 02:51 PM      Profile for JPG     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I can't tell if these neo-con ultra-right bigot freaks are getting stronger, or just getting louder and stupider because they are in their dying throes. I really hope it is the latter. I want these assholes extinct before I have children.
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posted 30 March 2006 02:55 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Pastor Rod Parsley? Sounds like a marriage (sorry) of two gay stereotypes: Rod the pornstar and Mr Parsley the gourmet chef and herb gardener...

Perhaps that is why the ijut hates gays so much....


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posted 30 March 2006 04:26 PM      Profile for CWW     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by JPG:
I can't tell if these neo-con ultra-right bigot freaks are getting stronger, or just getting louder and stupider because they are in their dying throes. I really hope it is the latter. I want these assholes extinct before I have children.

You might be out of luck... it appears that the US is dividing into two polar extremes. I'd like to think that the evangelical right is just a small bunch of crazies, but I think it's more serious than that.

War on christianity.. GIMME A FUCKING BREAK. How many christians have been lashed to a fence nd beaten to death, attacked physically and verbally, told thay can't stay at a hotel, rent an apartment, fired from a job becuase they're christians in the last, say, 20 years ?

I'm especially concerned about the whole "lock & load" rant... so some stupid fucking yankee with a grade 7 education and the fear o' god in his head is going to hurt or kill a gay person because this dipshit pastor makes these types of remarks... do you think this Parsley fella is going to suffer ay reprecussions ? If one single person suffers because of what he has said he should be arrested, charged and convicted.

I'm a hold-out for Americans... I've never thought of them as bad or evil people.. I just shake my head in amazement that this shit goes on down there !!! No counter protest, no scathing editorials, just a bunch of crazy religious freaks, and a bunch of people who'd just rather ignore it. Pathetic.


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posted 30 March 2006 07:16 PM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:

I expect civil war within five years.

I don't. Civil war would assume that there are sufficient numbers of Americans who are actually willing to fight these attitudes. Since there don't seem to be very many willing to do so rhetorically, I rather doubt they'll be willing to do so materially should it ever come to such a point.

Recall that, from the point of view of the average USian voter, Hilary Clinton represents the left-most edge of the mainstream. Somebody like Russ Feingold is an unelectable, 'liberal (*spit, patooie) moonbat' to such folks.

quote:
Originally posted by JPG:
I can't tell if these neo-con ultra-right bigot freaks are getting stronger, or just getting louder and stupider because they are in their dying throes.

That's a question that came up in a conversation I had with a young, gay friend recently. An optimistic (some would say pollyanna) read on the situation would have it that these bigots need to say these things now because these ideas are actually being challenged by prevailing attitudes. *They* seem to think so, anyway.

Thirty years ago, there was no perceived need for the Moral Majority, because potential recruits felt they could rest assured that their goals would be accomplished without organization. That organization is so zealous sought now would indicate that this type of bigot now sees a real threat to his ideals, right?

I wish I could believe that that perceived threat to Dominionist goals was real. But these groups are peddling snake-oil... and they don't care whether you're sick or not.

Either way, a real or imagined threat, it becomes an irrelevant distinction for these folks. Fact is, they *are* organized and are going to *stay* organized whether the 'threat' to their views is real or not. And the pack mentality is causing them to get carried away with themselves.

They will not stop.


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Tommy_Paine
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posted 30 March 2006 07:25 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I thought the war on Christians was in Afghanistan...but wait, we're supporting, with the lives of our youth, a government that wants to kill people who convert to Christianity.

I wonder what the Afghan government's position is on wishing each other "Merry Christmas"?

Someone help me out here. I'm all confusulated.


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Those people think that acceptance of homoerotic love makes America "evil" but they don't have any issues with slavery, genocide, international piracy, global bullying and the arrogant hubris of Manifest Destiny. Those people must be vigorously opposed.
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posted 30 March 2006 07:35 PM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"Man the Battle Stations?" Does he think he's on the Enterprise? Or it a double entendre?
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posted 30 March 2006 07:43 PM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Hephaestion:
I expect civil war within five years.
-- Crippled Newsie
I don't.

I agree with CN but wonder if Hephaestion was really serious.

Where I don't agree with Crippled Newsie is the point that the rabid right is fighting because they 'feel' on the defensive, more threatened.

They may, in a way, feel this way. As to their means of existence, they are a productive of the Republican strategy to build a Moral Majority to keep the party in power IMHO. They are the vocal fringe, that's all.

Maybe 30 years ago some liberals thought the John Birch Society would dry up and blow away. But the consistent Republican strategy brought new life to Birchers and their work with young conservatives.

What fringes are involved? Is the American Nazi Party there? It's been a time since I looked at their sites, but I remember them denouncing the State for locking up a few members for several years. I think MM people in power will lock up these real Nazis if they start isolated violence.

Sure, things are unpredictable. But Heph meant more than clashes. More than violent talk. But civil war?


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I'm surprised people here have not heard of, "Lock n' load Jesus". It's along the lines of, "what a trend we have in Jesus."

From, Old American Century.


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"lock and load, rock and roll" is how I've heard the expression.
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posted 30 March 2006 08:05 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by goyanamasu:

But Heph meant more than clashes. More than violent talk. But civil war?



Yes, I did. If the non-Kool-aid drinkers don't defeat these fanatics at the voting booth, there will be a civil war in the streets within five years. If there isn't, it's because the fanatics have won, and it will be them against the rest of the world. And Canada will be the front lines.

To quote a Little Boots himself, "it's better that we fight them there than that we are forced to fight them in our own homes."

[ 30 March 2006: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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posted 30 March 2006 08:07 PM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
siren; Boom Boom : is this a not so subtle message that on talk of civil war I, we, should lighten up? I didn't mention coffee mugs, but if that's the point I'll say I think the question is hotter than that.
I wish it was all a joke.

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Might be worth asking who has the most guns in Amerika. The military and police aside, it's probably the rightwing nutjobs. I used to buy a gun magazine back in the 80's when I was interested in hunting (just a short while). The editorials were all to the effect that the right to bear arms trumps all else. Holy shit.
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posted 30 March 2006 08:23 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Maybe it's time more lefties learned how to defend themselves. Just. In. Case.
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Originally posted by goyanamasu:
siren; Boom Boom : is this a not so subtle message that on talk of civil war I, we, should lighten up? I didn't mention coffee mugs, but if that's the point I'll say I think the question is hotter than that.
I wish it was all a joke.

I don't think the forces of religious fundamentalism are a joke at all. But a tyrant loves fear and hates to be laughed at. I think that's what the folks at Old American Century and MissPoppy.com are on about.


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posted 30 March 2006 08:53 PM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm impressed how everybody is online with this one. There are some things, many in fact, but here I'm bouncing back on only one or two, that I personally and politically refuse to discuss because they are most probably illegal.

Hephaestion says UNLESS the Left defeats these fanatics at the voting booth. Some friends in the States are saying unless Bush is impeached, Cheney does jail time, Rove too, and the Pentagon White House is busted along with Rumsfeld. If all this comes down, then maybe the Dems have a chance to win next time.

I wouldn't put all my eggs in an electoral basket. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Carter (x), Clinton . . . Kerry. Maybe (x) is an outlier. I'm not going to even watch the jockying among the new batch. Not until this impeachment move gets up some steam.

You cannot rightly talk electoral politics and civil war in the same breath when the economic interests involved seem to all want a strong president only own who protects their employment and gas-guzzling cars. Nobody I know on the Left is even thinking about another form of gov't, and there's nothing like a cultural war regionally or lifestyle-wise brewing, gay, straight, left or right -- unless it's to see this administration locked up for stealing the country blind and using bigotry for a smokescreen. The far, far right won't protect Bush in name once it's shown who he is stealing from. The real loonies there will try to take over, oh I don't know, northern Wisconsin or Wako, Texas - which is where that leads exactly.


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