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leftcoastguy
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posted 28 February 2006 01:46 AM      Profile for leftcoastguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Poll: Bush Ratings At All-Time Low
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Albireo
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posted 28 February 2006 02:29 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Absurd but enjoyable graphic with that story:


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Jacob Two-Two
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posted 28 February 2006 03:04 AM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This is just the beginning. I often wonder what kind of sordid meltdown Bush will have once he is removed from the presidency and the bubble he lives in bursts. I imagine it will involve drinking himself to death and a fair amount of public embarrassment. It would be nice if he ended up in prison but that might be too much to hope for.
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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 28 February 2006 10:22 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Is anyone else starting to get spam with subject lines like:

  • Bush is such an idiot
  • Dick Cheney... lol

The e-mails themselves aren't political at all (both of the above examples were online prescription spam scams). I think it's an interesting measure of how unpopular the Republicans really are that spammers have calculated that an anti-Bush message is more likely to make people open their e-mail than any of the old standards (which we've discussed here... um, at length).


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posted 28 February 2006 10:33 AM      Profile for Transplant     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Is anyone else starting to get spam with subject lines like:
  • Bush is such an idiot
  • Dick Cheney... lol

That's priceless, Scott.


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Transplant
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Cheney seen retiring after midterm elections

InsigHT on the News - Vice President Dick Cheney is expected to retire within a year.

Senior GOP sources envision the retirement of Mr. Cheney in 2007, months after the congressional elections. The sources said Mr. Cheney would be persuaded to step down as he becomes an increasing political liability to President Bush.

The sources reported a growing rift between the president and vice president as well as their staffs. They cited Mr. Cheney's failure to immediately tell the president of the accidental shooting of the vice president's hunting colleague earlier this month. The White House didn't learn of the incident until 18 hours later.

Mr. Cheney's next crisis could take place by the end of the year, the sources said. They said the White House was expecting Mr. Cheney to defend himself against charges from his former chief of staff, Lewis Libby, that the vice president ordered him to relay classified information. Such a charge could lead to a congressional investigation and even impeachment proceedings.

"Nothing will happen until after the congressional elections," a GOP source said. "After that, there will be significant changes in the administration and Cheney will probably be part of that." ...


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quote:
Originally posted by Transplant:
Senior GOP sources envision the retirement of Mr. Cheney in 2007, months after the congressional elections. The sources said Mr. Cheney would be persuaded to step down as he becomes an increasing political liability to President Bush.

If he's a political liability to Bush, wouldn't it make sense for him to step down before the only elections that will take place before the (long-awaited) end of the Bush presidency?


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posted 28 February 2006 02:23 PM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Transplant:
Cheney seen retiring after midterm elections

I would think that would be incrementally good news... unless Rumsfeld was to replace him. I don't want that guy anywhere near being a heartbeat away from power. He's the warhawk... in a group of warhawks.

Anywhoo... some interesting results

Bush's overall approval - 34%, down 8% since Jan(not an alltime low, not as low as I would have hope either)
* Among Republicans - 72% (ugh)
* Among Democrats - 9%
* Among Independents - 29% (encouraging)

Appoval of the war in Iraq - 30%, down 7%
* Among Republicans - 61%
* Among Democrats - 10%
* Among Independents - 25%

[Edit] WOW! Here's a bizzare question.

What is your impression on the religion called Islam?

Very Favorable ... 7% ... R - 4%, D - 10%, I - 7%
Somewhat Fav. ... 16% ... R - 13%, D - 18%, I - 17%
Somewhat Unfav. ... 17% ... R - 15%, D - 14%, I - 22%
Very Unfavorable ... 19% ... R - 34%, D - 12%, I - 12%
Haven't heard enough/DK/NA ... 41%, R - 34%, D - 46%, I - 42%

That could be one of the stupidist question I've ever heard.

[ 28 February 2006: Message edited by: West Coast Greeny ]

[ 28 February 2006: Message edited by: West Coast Greeny ]


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eau
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Setting up the next Republican nomination for 2008 perhaps. John McCain has been catering to the base of the party for some time..Thats who I think it is..or will Joe Lieberman cross the floor to attempt the middle.

Will Cheney retain his influence when he leaves and does that mean his staff also leave? Stephen Hadley and some of the other neocons?

So many questions.


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I'd love to be encouraged but I thought he was around this level of support a month or so after Katrina, and then rebounded to about 40-45% till about a month ago? Not to mention the fact that for the Democrats to actually benefit from his unpopularity, he'd probably have to bite the head of a puppy during a major speech, and be caught having sex with a dead prostitute and even when his approval from such things plummet to 7%, I'd still be cautious about their "political abilities".
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I'm not sure when this current trend of automatically assuming the Democrats are completely ineffectual began, but I assume it was one that emenated from the echo chamber - kind of like the ones about how brilliant a strategist Karl Rove is and what great "real folks" political instincts Dubya has. The Democrats have a long history of electoral success, they really do know how to build uncomfortable coalitions, gerrymander, silence their fringe supporters and do all the other questionable things that Republicans have done recently to win elections. And perhaps most importantly, they can do it without being so fricking obvious about it.
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Oh, I know I was exagerating. But the thing is that they have this tendancy, lately to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Even though, perhaps that's not quite their fault. But while you may dismiss Dubya's political instincts, Karl Rove's shouldn't be dismissed. He's a bloody genius. And I wouldn't say that the Republicans have been that offensive to their base, while they do speak up every now and then, the administration has shown a tendancy to learn from its mistakes. When the Harriet Miers candidacy collapsed, they were able to get Alito through, without so much as a filibuster from the Dems.
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posted 28 February 2006 07:53 PM      Profile for guy cybershy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
If the Democrats cannot take control of the house and Senate this fall, then there is no hope for them.
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quote:
Originally posted by guy cybershy:
If the Democrats cannot take control of the house and Senate this fall, then there is no hope for them.

If the Democrats cannot take control of the house and Senate this fall then there is no hope for the country, period.


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First off, Bush is a creature of Cheney, not the other way around. So Bush will never fire Cheney, just like he never would fire Rumsfeld even after the initial reports of Abu Ghraib.

What the Bush administration is doing is stacking the civil service, and wherever else they can place their neo-cons (World Bank) so that even if the Republicans lose the election, they will still have their hands on the levers of power.

So they don't really care about polls. Bush can't run again, Cheney won't, Rumsfeld won't, so who cares what the polls say.

The real secret is to take control of the bureaucracy, then elections don't matter.


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You think Bush's bubble will burst when he's paying for his home? I doubt it. Maybe not so Neverland as Reagan's post-Bighouse life, but hardly any Real World either.

And who says VP has to be in Washington already? Is it altogether unthinkable that W gives a brother a hand up, pass on some real experience before the big one? Jeb helped him in Florida, why not help him in DC?


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What I would really like to see some investigative journalist delve into . . .

How much has this criminal cabal enriched themselves while in the houses they currently don't pay for. With all of them likely having shares in Haliburton and Carlyle -- how much moola have they piled up?

All were millionaires to begin with, Bush at a mere 7 million. The stats used to be published fairly regularly in sidebars in Time Magazine, shortly after taxes were paid.

I'd like to see that information hit the American people.


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Jacob Two-Two
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Yeah, I'm waiting for that story too. The logical time for it to hit would be just after they're all out of office but while they're still under investigation.
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Scott Piatkowski
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quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Is anyone else starting to get spam with subject lines like...

Today's spam selections include

quote:
Donnie Woodward
Re-finance at the lowestt ratess

Jared Webber Mortagge
ratee approvedd

Colby Hammer
Last chance for lower rates

Mauricio V. Flowers
Dick is a moron

Tommy Boudreaux
Pre-approved Application

Pam Lange
put an stuffing

Jonathan Steele
an interesting email

Anita G. Conway
Bush is a moron

Cliff Lord
Are you in good health?

Johnnie Mcfadden
Get laid tonight

Alfreda C. Saunders
Stocks in Play



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More polls show Bush's slide continues:

Gallup: 2 Out of 3 Americans Want U.S. Pull Out from Iraq

Fox poll: Bush at 39; 81 percent say Iraq civil war likely

Most Americans Now Disapprove of Bush on Terrorism, Poll Shows


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posted 03 March 2006 03:41 PM      Profile for eau        Edit/Delete Post
About the spam...yes I am..and I am not sure on how to train outlook for spam? This is fairly new on this computer too.

[ 03 March 2006: Message edited by: eau ]


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Not a poll, but better: Bush's base talking...

At Conservative Forum on Bush, Everybody's a Critic

Wash Post - If the ancient political wisdom is correct that a charge unanswered is a charge agreed to, the Bush White House pleaded guilty yesterday at the Cato Institute to some extraordinary allegations.

"We did ask a few members of the Bush economic team to come," explained David Boaz, the think tank's executive vice president, as he moderated a discussion between two prominent conservatives about President Bush. "We didn't get that."

Now why would the administration pass up such an invitation?

Well, it could have been because of the first speaker, former Reagan aide Bruce Bartlett. Author of the new book "Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy," Bartlett called the administration "unconscionable," "irresponsible," "vindictive" and "inept."

It might also have had something to do with speaker No. 2, conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan. Author of the forthcoming "The Conservative Soul: How We Lost It; How to Get It Back," Sullivan called Bush "reckless" and "a socialist," and accused him of betraying "almost every principle conservatism has ever stood for."

Nor was moderator Boaz a voice of moderation. He blamed Bush for "a 48 percent increase in spending in just six years," a "federalization of public schools" and "the biggest entitlement since LBJ." ...


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70% of America says U.S. on 'wrong track'

Bush's Approval Rating Falls to New Low

AP - More and more people, particularly Republicans, disapprove of Pesident Bush's performance, question his character and no longer consider him a strong leader against terrorism, according to an AP-Ipsos poll documenting one of the bleakest points of his presidency.

Nearly four out of five Americans, including 70 percent of Republicans, believe civil war will break out in Iraq — the bloody hot spot upon which Bush has staked his presidency. Nearly 70 percent of people say the U.S. is on the wrong track, a 6-point jump since February. ...

Bush's approval rating declined from 39 percent to 36 percent for his handling of domestic affairs and from 47 percent to 43 percent on foreign policy and terrorism. His approval ratings for dealing with the economy and Iraq held steady, but still hovered around 40 percent. ...


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The bothersome thing is that 43% agree with his foreign policy..the preemptive strikes, the Fallujah horrors, the Venezuela attempted coup, the destabilisation of the Middle East, the Palestinian Peace process, the NOrth Korean debacle, the Cuba issue..43%
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Bush Goes on Offensive To Explain War Strategy

Wash Post - President Bush plans to begin a series of speeches next week again explaining the administration's strategy for winning the war in Iraq, as the White House returns to a familiar tactic to allay growing public pessimism about the war that has helped keep the president's approval rating near its historic low. ...

The initiative is modeled on a similar effort the White House rolled out in November and December, when Bush gave four speeches, acknowledging setbacks, pointing out how the military had adapted its strategy and highlighting the administration's plans for victory. ...

----

Gee, and it worked really well last time, right?

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Originally posted by Transplant:
Bush Goes on Offensive To Explain War Strategy

Well, that's consistent, isn't it?

Someday I'd like to see a headline which reads:

President explores consensus to explain peace strategy.


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What I find strange is that 40% approve of his Iraqi plans, and yet 80% of all voters, including 70% of Republicans think it's likely Iraq will fall into civil war. So was this the plan or something? I'm pretty sure it's easier than that to distabilize a middle eastern country.
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Iraq drives Bush's rating to new low

Americans pessimistic on war as president launches new push

CNN - Growing dissatisfaction with the war in Iraq has driven President Bush's approval rating to a new low of 36 percent, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday.

Only 38 percent said they believe the nearly 3-year-old war was going well for the United States, down from 46 percent in January, while 60 percent said they believed the war was going poorly.

Nearly half of those polled said they believe Democrats would do a better job of managing the war -- even though only a quarter of them said the opposition party has a clear plan for resolving the situation. ...


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Bush, GOP Approval Ratings Find New Lows

AP - President Bush's approval ratings hit a series of new lows in an AP-Ipsos poll that also shows Republicans surrendering their advantage on national security — grim election-year news for a party struggling to stay in power.

Democratic leaders predicted they will seize control of one or both chambers of Congress in November. Republicans said they feared the worst unless the political landscape quickly changes.

Just 36 percent of the public approves of Bush's job performance, his lowest-ever rating in AP-Ipsos polling. By contrast, the president's job approval rating was 47 percent among likely voters just before Election Day 2004 and a whopping 64 percent among registered voters in October 2002. ...

As bad as Bush's numbers may be, Congress' are worse.

Just 30 percent of the public approves of the GOP-led Congress' job performance, and Republicans seem to be shouldering the blame.

"These numbers are scary. We've lost every advantage we've ever had," GOP pollster Tony Fabrizio said. "The good news is Democrats don't have much of a plan. The bad news is they may not need one." ...

• Only 40 percent of the public approves of Bush's performance on foreign policy and the war on terror, another low-water mark for his presidency. That's down 9 points from a year ago. Just before the 2002 election, 64 percent of registered voters backed Bush on terror and foreign policy.

• Just 35 percent of the public approves of Bush's handling of Iraq, his lowest in AP-Ipsos polling.

"He's in over his head," said Diane Heller, 65, a Pleasant Valley, N.Y., real estate broker and independent voter. ...

...69 percent of Americans believes the nation is headed in the wrong direction — the largest percentage during the Bush presidency and up 13 points from a year ago. ...


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quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:


What is your impression on the religion called Islam?

Very Favorable ... 7% ... R - 4%, D - 10%, I - 7%
Somewhat Fav. ... 16% ... R - 13%, D - 18%, I - 17%
Somewhat Unfav. ... 17% ... R - 15%, D - 14%, I - 22%
Very Unfavorable ... 19% ... R - 34%, D - 12%, I - 12%
Haven't heard enough/DK/NA ... 41%, R - 34%, D - 46%, I - 42%

That could be one of the stupidist question I've ever heard.


I know it is a little late to comment on this question but I find it oddly encouraging that 41% say that they are not informed enough to offer an opinion. That is a rare case of intellectual honesty in an answer to a poll question.


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I know it is a little late to comment on this question but I find it oddly encouraging that 41% say that they are not informed enough to offer an opinion. That is a rare case of intellectual honesty in an answer to a poll question.

Those numbers also call into question the idea that the erstwhile support for Bush's policies was motivated chiefly by anti-Muslim sentiment. Because that's 65% of the population with either no opinion on Islam, ot a positive opinion.


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Bush's Hail Mary

quote:
For Dubya, now is the time. One last, desperate gamble. Slam that last drink, scrunch up your face, screw the rules and let the bombs fly. What, you don't think he could do it? Don't think a nuclear attack on Iran is possible? You haven't looked into the tiny, ink-black eyes of Dick Cheney lately. You haven't seen Rumsfeld's arrogant sneer, seen Bush looking confused and lost, wondering where all his "capital" went, desperately hunting for a legacy and finding only irresponsibility and self-righteousness and death.

But hell, as we already know, that's good enough for him



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While some claim Fox News often looks too kindly on President Bush, its latest poll released today showed that the plunge in his popularity cannot be denied. It found his approval rating at 33%--a startling 3% drop in just two weeks and down 6% since mid-March.

Fox attributed the drop to "sinking support among Republicans."

A year ago his approval rating in the Fox poll stood at 47%.


http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002383634


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While some claim Fox News often looks too kindly on President Bush, its latest poll released today showed that the plunge in his popularity cannot be denied. It found his approval rating at 33%--a startling 3% drop in just two weeks and down 6% since mid-March.

Fox attributed the drop to "sinking support among Republicans."

A year ago his approval rating in the Fox poll stood at 47%.


http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002383634


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BE CAREFUL.... if you notice that 2/3 of Americans hate their own leader.... the 1/3 of republican fart-catchers will broadcast "How Anti-Americanism is Rampent in Canada" for the next 2 weeks.
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The bright side for 18% Cheney is that Osama Bin Laden is even more unpopular with the American public, despite having done less damage to the United States.
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