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posted 28 October 2005 02:55 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Just like many of you out there, my address is on every imaginable pro-environment, pacifist, feminist, pro-culture, co-op movement email-out list because these are often shared. This morning I received the following, which puzzled me. I am not registered to the NY Times website so I have no way to verify the existence of this article as well as its attribution to Thomas L. Friedman. Could someone here check out if it is legit, since I think that the people on the NO-WAR email list should be give a heads' up if this is a fabrication or someone else reported this. Grand merci.
Leading by (Bad) Example WASHINGTON, Oct. 18 (Iraq News Agency) - A delegation of Iraqi judges and journalists abruptly left the U.S. today, cutting short its visit to study the workings of American democracy. A delegation spokesman said the Iraqis were "bewildered" by some of the behavior of the Bush administration and felt it was best to limit their exposure to the U.S. system at this time, when Iraq is taking its first baby steps toward democracy.

The lead Iraqi delegate, Muhammad Mithaqi, a noted secular Sunni judge who had recently survived an assassination attempt by Islamist radicals, said that he was stunned when he heard President Bush telling Republicans that one reason they should support Harriet Miers for the U.S. Supreme Court was because of "her religion." She is described as a devout evangelical Christian.

Mithaqi said that after two years of being lectured to by U.S. diplomats in Baghdad about the need to separate "mosque from state" in the new Iraq, he was also floored to read that the former Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr, now a law school dean, said on the radio show of the conservative James Dobson that Miers deserved support because she was "a very, very strong Christian [who] should be a source of great comfort and assistance to people in the households of faith around the country."

"Now let me get this straight," Judge Mithaqi said. "You are lecturing us about keeping religion out of politics, and then your own president and conservative legal scholars go and tell your public to endorse Miers as a Supreme Court justice because she is an evangelical Christian.

"How would you feel if you picked up your newspapers next week and read that the president of Iraq justified the appointment of an Iraqi Supreme Court justice by telling Iraqis: 'Don't pay attention to his lack of legal expertise. Pay attention to the fact that he is a Muslim fundamentalist and prays at a Saudi-funded Wahhabi mosque.' ... ".

A fellow delegation member, Abdul Wahab al-Unfi, a Shiite lawyer who walks with a limp today as a result of torture in a Saddam prison, said he did not want to spend another day in Washington after listening to the Bush team defend its right to use torture in Iraq and Afghanistan. ...

"I survived eight years of torture under Saddam," Unfi said. "Virtually every extended family in Iraq has someone who was tortured or killed in a Baathist prison. Yet, already, more than 100 prisoners of war have died in U.S. custody. How is that possible from the greatest democracy in the world? There must be no place for torture in the future Iraq. We are going home now because I don't want our delegation corrupted by all this American right-to-torture talk."

The email says that it was printed in the NYT on Oct. 19, 2005.

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blake 3:17
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posted 28 October 2005 03:20 PM      Profile for blake 3:17     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I read it reprinted in the Toronto Star. Can't verify the Times element, but unless Torstar has gone insane it's real.

Don't forget the liberal in neo-liberal.

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posted 28 October 2005 03:28 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post
Deleted. Didn't read DBO's comment close enough.

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posted 28 October 2005 03:30 PM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Posting to get rid of sidescroll on TAT.
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posted 28 October 2005 03:43 PM      Profile for Carter        Edit/Delete Post
deBeauxOs, check your private messages, I sent you something. Obviously it's not the full text of the Friedman column, because using babble software to distribute such a thing would be an egregious and abhorrent attack upon the noble principles of intellectual property. But you should check anyway.
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Rufus Polson
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posted 28 October 2005 04:15 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post

. . . and that was just a coughing fit. No laughter involved. Really.

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