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Maxx
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posted 11 January 2006 10:58 PM      Profile for Maxx     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Conservative Party was not aware that their candidate in the B.C. riding of British Columbia Southern Interior is due to go on trial next month on smuggling charges, and if convicted, he could end up in jail.

The Story


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posted 11 January 2006 11:00 PM      Profile for Privateer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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In July 2004, Zeisman was crossing into British Columbia from the United States, when Canada Customs charged him with attempting to smuggle in a Mercedes-Benz vehicle and 112 containers of alcohol.

Zeisman is also accused of lying to Canada Customs about the incident.

Zeisman did not explain to CTV News why he didn't tell his own party about the charges, and blamed someone in government for leaking the information.

"I don't know if it came from the Department of Foreign Affairs or if it came from the Border Services Agency," he said. "Somebody obviously has a grudge to harbour."

Zeisman is a cross-border trade specialist, and up until the time of the charges he was working as a trade commission for the federal government.



cross-border trade specialist? or rum-runner?


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Maxx
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posted 11 January 2006 11:01 PM      Profile for Maxx     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So much for Conservative "honesty" and "integrity"....
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posted 11 January 2006 11:01 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
Gee, at least Liberals wait until they're elected to turn criminal!
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posted 11 January 2006 11:02 PM      Profile for Privateer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Maxx is dishing out the prime stuff...what the Liberals have been keeping under their hats for an emergency.
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Hephaestion
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posted 11 January 2006 11:03 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
LOL!!!
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Maxx
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posted 11 January 2006 11:05 PM      Profile for Maxx     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Maybe even the Conservative TeleVision does not want a Harper majority.
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posted 11 January 2006 11:05 PM      Profile for Kim Smith        Edit/Delete Post
I don't have a link, but there's an even worse story about this guy you can find on Publiceyeonline.com.

His car crash resulted in a woman being injured and she is now unable to work and her holidays were pretty much ruined. Yet neither the candidate nor the party have offered her any apology.


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I think the chances of an NDP win in that seat just went from 80% to 99%!!
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Jesse Hoffman
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posted 11 January 2006 11:06 PM      Profile for Jesse Hoffman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ha! Does this mean Southern Interior is as good as ours?

If anyone lives in the riding, keep us posted on what sort of coverage this is getting down there.


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posted 11 January 2006 11:10 PM      Profile for Privateer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Signed, sealed, and delivered to the NDP.

I wonder if Harper will kick Zeisman off the "ticket"?

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Screaming Lord Byron
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posted 11 January 2006 11:16 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So, why did the CPC send Anders to help Zeisman only two days ago? Would they rather have him hanging out with a crook than facing his constituents?
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Link to a very relevant and interesting previous thread about Zeisman, an embarrassing paper he wrote years ago, his car crash, and more about Southern Interior.

I think that Alex Atamenko of the NDP should take this seat.


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I think the big question is the following: if Zeisman's impending trial gets significant airtime, might there be any Panic Voters who shift from Alex Atamanenko to Hapless Liberal Candidate Whose Name I Can't Remember in order to "block" Zeisman from winning? If so, I'd recommend that Atamanenko, or at least someone close to his campaign, encourage door-knockers to reply that he (Atamanenko) nearly won the riding in 2004, and so he would be the vote to beat Zeisman.
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posted 11 January 2006 11:17 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
Any evidence at all that Anders really went there?
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Hephaestion
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posted 11 January 2006 11:18 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Scott and I both live here. You can be sure ONE of us will post updates on this! *hee, hee*
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Screaming Lord Byron
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posted 11 January 2006 11:19 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
Any evidence at all that Anders really went there?


Nope. Where exactly is Rob Anders?


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Hephaestion
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posted 11 January 2006 11:20 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:

Any evidence at all that Anders really went there?


Not a peep I've heard or seen on radio, tv or in the papers.

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quote:
Originally posted by Screaming Lord Byron:


Nope. Where exactly is Rob Anders?


Don't look in my bed!


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Screaming Lord Byron
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posted 11 January 2006 11:23 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:

Not a peep I've heard or seen on radio, tv or in the papers.


http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=35&t=001674

This all comes from a story in the Calgary Herald, and a Global TV slot, but I'll be damned if I can find out anything more.


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posted 11 January 2006 11:24 PM      Profile for pebbles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Screaming Lord Byron:
Nope. Where exactly is Rob Anders?

In his campaign HQ at 308–17 Avenue SW, Lower Level, Calgary, AB.


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Originally posted by pebbles:

In his campaign HQ at 308–17 Avenue SW, Lower Level, Calgary, AB.


Why do I, a straight man, know that that happens to be Goliaths?

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Hephaestion
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posted 11 January 2006 11:35 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Screaming Lord Byron:

This all comes from a story in the Calgary Herald, and a Global TV slot, but I'll be damned if I can find out anything more.



Oh I knew he was supposedly out here, but you'd think if he really was, there might be some mention of it in the local media... wouldn't you?

{ )

Maybe Anders has temporarily taken over Zeisman's "mule" duties?

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Originally posted by Hephaestion:

Oh I knew he was supposedly out here, but you'd think if he really was, there might be somr mention of it in the local media... wouldn't you?

{ )

Maybe Anders has temporarily taken over Zeisman's "mule" duties?



Hmm.

D'you think they've gone 'cowboy' on us? Any mountains with suggestive names in your part of the Kootenays? Hmm?

Sidebar - when I took my mum to Nelson a few years back, she insisted in having her photo taken in front of the Kokanee Chiropractic Clinic because of the vague double-entendre in the title. She thought she'd send it into the diary section of the Glasgow Herald, which likes that sort of thing.
And of course, they printed it.

It was then my mum noticed Shaganappi Trail in Calgary. She still can't get over it.


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Michael Watkins
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Blog it if you can, the more the merrier, the faster it gets picked up more broadly.

Even if I liked Harper, I'd be raising a stink about this feller Derek Zeisman...

http://mikewatkins.net/categories/politics/liberal_conservative.html


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Hephaestion
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posted 11 January 2006 11:58 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Screaming Lord Byron:

Any mountains with suggestive names in your part of the Kootenays?



Welllllllll.... there's always Toad Mountain to the south of here (not too far from Nelson). I think "toad" is accurate -- if maybe a little unkind to the toads...

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criminals in the conservative party?

say it ain't so, harpie!


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edgewaters72
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posted 12 January 2006 12:08 AM      Profile for edgewaters72     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Is it just me, or is the NDP now gaining at the expense of the Conservatives in some areas?

There's this, and then today NDP gained support in Ontario at Conservative expense, apparently.


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Screaming Lord Byron
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posted 12 January 2006 12:13 AM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I suspected this. Here's my theory of events.

People ditch the Liberals.

They go to the CPC, because they're the nearest, most viable opposition - big Tory surge.

Many stay, because they don't really think much about these things, and they just want the bums thrown out.

Some start to think - 'hey, these guys are a little too zealously right-wing for me - who else is there?'

....and then.....

Some move over to the NDP.

I think our polls will take a small upswing through the weekend, maybe to around 18-19% or so.


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Hephaestion
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posted 12 January 2006 02:04 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
It just made the lead-off item on CBC Radio news at 10:00 pm PDST. Apparently, the party is backing him fully, saying the charges are administrative not criminal, and that nothing is proven. Ergo, they have no problem with Ziesman continuing to represent them.


.........


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According to CTV, this is what happened:

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In July 2004, Zeisman was crossing into British Columbia from the United States, when Canada Customs charged him with attempting to smuggle in a Mercedes-Benz vehicle and 112 containers of alcohol.

Zeisman is also accused of lying to Canada Customs about the incident.


How on earth can he get off from something like that??? So much for the Cons' 'tough stand on crime'. Hey Tories! ~ How's about cleaning up your own party before trying to clean up the country? Man, that felt good to say. Hee hee.

Guess Harper and crew can't say very much about Svend or The Libs now. They've all got 'a ding' here or there, non?

But anyhow...
Heph: Looks like your riding is going to be a cakewalk for the NDP!! Yee Haw!

This story will be fun to watch.

[ 12 January 2006: Message edited by: West Coast Tiger ]


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So is this guy trying to anger the sons of temprance or something? I do know the Conservatives probably want to get some rebellous cred on their side, and seem somewhat socially progressive, but smuggl'n the hooch north of the border isn't nessecary. We got rid of prohibition years ago didn't we? So what's up with lying about it, or even going south of the border to get the stuff?
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quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
It just made the lead-off item on CBC Radio news at 10:00 pm PDST. Apparently, the party is backing him fully, saying the charges are administrative not criminal, and that nothing is proven. Ergo, they have no problem with Ziesman continuing to represent them.

.........


No choice... it's too late to replace him.

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112 containers of alcohol? What would that be --cans of beer, bottles of Champagne (to go with the up scale Mercedes -- I assume it wasn't a Smart Car Merc), 100 proof vodka? Thank goodness it wasn't marijuana or handguns -- oh wait -- handguns would be fine.

Inquiring minds want to know what kind of alcohol the dude smuggled.

The "tough on crime" Cons are OK with this as it is administrative and not criminal? Hell, learn something new every day. Didn't even know there was such a thing as administrative crime. Let alone that some lying to border guards is fine and dandy.


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posted 12 January 2006 03:14 AM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From the Globe comments section:

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Michael Slavitch from Ottawa, Canada writes: With all that beer he and Scott Reid could host one hell of a post-election pary.

Ha!


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posted 12 January 2006 03:22 AM      Profile for melovesproles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This could still backfire no? BCers seem to have a sofspot for people who get busted breaking the law when it comes to alcohol related crimes.
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Three smart-ass thoughts:

1) What's the Conservative's policy on arming border guards?

2) "Honest officer, I have no idea how my 112 illegal bottles of alcohol got in my illegal Mercedes."
To himself: "Oh, crap. I shouldn't have said they were my 112 bottles."
"Oh, crap. I shouldn't have said it was my Mercedes."
"Oh, crap! I certainly shouldn't have said it was illegal."
"It's too hot today."

3) Don’t Conservatives know that alcohol and cars don’t mix?


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posted 12 January 2006 03:44 AM      Profile for natas   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I wish John Reynolds was working for Bush. This is priceless.

There's one seat to the good(er) guys...and I think it will reverberate. Canadian Press is calling it for what it is, and the rags are running it way up the page...let's see if it's still up there in the morning...


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/Drift

Another Internet oopsie for a Saskatchewan Con. Funny but minor. Seemed like a good place to post it.

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A Web site that was once a Saskatchewan MP's online diary is now a portal to pornography.

In an example of the pitfalls of online communication, the abandoned blog where Conservative Andrew Scheer once typed his thoughts on issues of the day was picked up by someone else.

The Web address is the same, but his former blog contains a number of links to sexually explicit sites.



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P.M: Any wrong doing, if indeed there has been any doing that might be considered wrong is surely, "administrative" and not criminal.


Adiministrative vs. Criminal misdeeds, anyone who can split those kind of hairs, or tip-toe through that kind of minefield, deserves the keys to the treasury, n'est pas?


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These are two close seats that the NDP will have more of a shot at now. But even if they don't, it should blunt Con momentum, when they talk about ethics and yet have these problems themselves, I can't see why they should continue surging, let alone hold in the face of an all out (other parties) attack.
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Wanna hear the latest tidbit on the accident? A well-placed source tells me that the RCMP investigation has revealed that the vehicle travelling north was the one that was attempting to pass. Based on stated destinations at the time of the accident, the northbound vehicle would be Zeisman's.

I understand that Mr. Zeisman will be having a chat with local constabulary about this too, ere long. Sounds like his troubles are far from over (although I don't mean to make light of his injuries, which were grave.)

My source *sighed* and said, "Poor Zeisman... sounds like a bit of seasoning is what he needs before he tries to run again, if ever."

Said source also allowed as to how the local Liberal, Profilli (or however the heck it's spelled) is running a respectable and surprisingly hearty campaign, but is nowhere near catching up to Alex.

I'd say this one goes over into the "pretty darn sure" column.

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quote:
Originally posted by melovesproles:
This could still backfire no? BCers seem to have a sofspot for people who get busted breaking the law when it comes to alcohol related crimes.

Hope you're wrong but understand your point. Never have i seen a political party (more undeserving of it) with the wind at their backs like the cons. Write letters, support local candidates, etc.

C'mon! This must be front page news if the main stream media is doing any sort of job at all!


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posted 12 January 2006 04:33 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
the vehicle travelling north was the one that was attempting to pass.

quote:
Zeisman is a cross-border trade specialist.

So what was he importing when he was heading north in such a hurry?

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posted 12 January 2006 04:41 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Naw, Wilf, he was campaigning at the time of his accident...
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Anyone see The Province cover?

Headline:

"Tory Candidate faces charges of Smuggling Booze, Mercedes"

See it here but you better be fast before they change it over for the new day.


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quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Tiger:
"Tory Candidate faces charges of Smuggling Booze, Mercedes"

Trafficing in dead people is bad politics.


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There seems to be some confusion over who in the CPC knew about the charges and when, or at least it appears that way in the Province story.
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quote:
Originally posted by Privateer:
There seems to be some confusion over who in the CPC knew about the charges and when, or at least it appears that way in the Province story.

Did Stephen Harper not abruptly cancel a visit to meet this candidate in his riding at one point, recently?


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Reynolds is repeating the "administrative crime" line - which he says means you can't get a criminal record - in this CBC story.

Reynolds is a real old time slime bucket, but I thought he was fairly intelligent until now. He should know better than to bring the CPC down with Zeisman.


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Both CBC Newsworld and CTV Newsnet are carrying this story this morning, wih video footage of him in the hospital (broken leg I think). I think I may need new glasses - doesn't the guy resemble a (slimmed down) Ezra Levant, at least a little? Maybe I need stronger coffee. The CPC are standing behind him arguing he is innocent until proven guilty. Question: if this slimeball is elected and later found guilty, will he have to step down?
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Since it's too late to withdraw his candidacy, I think they're pretty much stuck with defending him, no matter how foolish it looks.

The alternative, telling people to vote for another candidate, isn't very attractive.


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quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
Since it's too late to withdraw his candidacy, I think they're pretty much stuck with defending him, no matter how foolish it looks.

The alternative, telling people to vote for another candidate, isn't very attractive.


If it was something like sexual stalking you can be sure they'd drop him immediately.


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posted by Steel City Guy:

"... criminals in the conservative party?
say it ain't so, harpie! ..."

Ummm. Svend Robinson. Criminals in the NDP??

Say it isn't so Jack.


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quote:
Originally posted by lucas:
posted by Steel City Guy:

"... criminals in the conservative party?
say it ain't so, harpie! ..."

Ummm. Svend Robinson. Criminals in the NDP??

Say it isn't so Jack.


Thing is however, lucas, that the Conservatives are running a campaign based on the notion that they can be trusted to clear up criminal corruption. This relaxed attitude towards "administrative" crime doesn't quite fit in with that message.


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Lucas might have a point if Svend had run in 2004, when the charges were still outstanding. He's now had his day in court, and people are free to make up their minds based on full knowledge of what happened.
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Lucas might have a point if Svend had run in 2004, when the charges were still outstanding.

I love it when celebrities post here.


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uh... yeah. I don't really see your point.

Am I supposed to somehow be offended at your sexual orientation suggestion?

Wrong spelling anyway... wish I had abs like that though.


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Oh, and Scott... you make a good point. Timing is everything. I think that my point was simply that no party is without a skeleton or two... and yes, some parties certainly may have more than others.

NO party is squeaky clean.


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Two things: abs are not necessarily sexy in my view - I like a man with some meat on his bones.

Next thing: Harper should fire the guy and put a milk carton in his place as the candidate, now that it's national news, the guy is going to lose in that riding. I am kind of perplexed as to why they are defending the guy because Harper is the front runner and this will reflect badly on him.

I think the guy will withdraw from the election if this issue becomes a much bigger issue.


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If it smells like hypocrisy, tastes like hypocrisy and sounds like hypocrisy - then IT IS hypocrisy.

Steven Harper had (and wasted) a golden opportunity to show Canada that he was serious about toughening up on crime AND cleaning up government - instead....he turns the other cheek thinking that we canadians should do the same thing for this BC fellow......and yet....Mr. Goodale - who faces NO CHARGES IN COURT is supposed to step down immediately regardless whether the RCMP find anything or not.

It just goes to show you how shallow the CPC trully are. If they had any integrity - they would of asked this fellow to step aside until the courts cleared his name. If that is good enough for Goodale - then it should be the same standard for a CPC candidate.


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They dumped him.
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I just heard that Harper has decided to dump Zeisman as the CPC candidate (even though its too late to remove his name from the ballot).

Meet Alex Atamanenko the next NDP MP for BC Southern Interior.

Imagine if the Conservative lost the election or missed a majority by one seat!!!


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strange, because he'll still be the cpc candidate on the ballot. my guess is that in the very unlikely event that he's elected, he'll worm his way back into the party. people forget that this guy is a very serious insider - tory cabinet material with a decade or so on the backbenches. a very very nice turn of events, since his political career is over (unless he runs for the cpc in alberta somewhere, which i imagine he'll end up doing after he gets out of prison...).
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WOO-HOO!! Awesome news.

Anyone see the Lib candidate being any kind of a threat at this point, or are we absolutely all clear for an NDP victory there???


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quote:
Originally posted by dazzle me:
...event that he's elected, he'll worm his way back into the party. people forget that this guy is a very serious insider....

Are you talking about Derek Zeisman or Sven Robinson?

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More at CTV.

quote:
But Harper added: "I will say today that this candidate, Mr. Zeisman, will not be sitting as a Conservative should he be elected" on Jan. 23.

[ 12 January 2006: Message edited by: West Coast Tiger ]


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I am well pleased with the decision. It was the right decision that should have been made immediately. I ain't a CPC supporter but methinks that CPC Riding Association needs some restructuring.

Who is the NDP candidate running there?


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"British Columbia Southern Interior
Candidate - Coming Soon."
Looks like Zeisman has been "booted" from the party. CPC Zeisman web page.

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Brad Lavigne on the Don Newman broadcast said this morning that Zeisman would have been defeated, regardless of this. Lavigne is confident the NDP will pick up seats on the island and the BC mainland that they lost by just a few votes in 2004.

NB: does anyone besides me think Susan Murray (LPC) on the morning edition of 'Politics' is sounding more 'out of it' as this campaign winds down?

edited to fix atrocious spelling.

[ 12 January 2006: Message edited by: Boom Boom ]


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Other than complete shoe-in ridings like Crowfoot AB for the Cons, this is the one riding that is now ALREADY DECIDED. There is a 100% chance of NDP MP Alex Atamenko. The Libs were too far behind to catch up.

This must be among the most disastrous local candidacies in Canadian electoral history.

* The Conservatives nominate Zeisman to hold a seat that a retiring incumbant won by a razor-thin margin last time.
* An essay by Zeisman comes to light, in which he urges scrapping Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, getting rid of the Canadian dollar and sharing a currency with the U.S.
* Zeisman is seriously injured in a car accident, and is unable to campaign because he's in traction in the hospital.
* He is charged with illegally smuggling a luxury car and some booze across the U.S.-Canada border.
* Police are actively investigating whether he caused the car accident, and whether charges are warranted.
* His own Conservative party denounces him and says that he can't sit in their caucus even if (if!) he is elected.

Seriously, can anybody think of a more disastrous candidate for a major party, ever?

[ 12 January 2006: Message edited by: Albireo ]


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quote:
Originally posted by scooter:
"British Columbia Southern Interior
Candidate - Coming Soon."
Looks like Zeisman has been "booted" from the party. CPC Zeisman web page.

Heh. Wow. He's been purged.


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Last election's results for BC Southern Interior:

Con - Jim Gouk - 16,940
NDP - Alex Atamanenko -16,260
Lib - Doug Stanley - 8,310
GRN - Scott Leyland - 3,663

Bill Profili is the new Lib candidate I believe. Not sure how well he's received in that area though. Leyland is in the race again. Maybe someone in the riding can give more information... like Heph, I think.. (?)

But I think Alex is pretty safe from the looks of this and the fact that the Libs are hurting so badly now.


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quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
NB: does anyone besides me think Susan Murray (LPC) on the morning edition of 'Politics' is sounding more 'out of it' as this campaign winds down?

She was much better on radio and should have stayed there.


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Southern Interior is my permanant address riding, so my mum phoned me last night to tell me this. I had been trying to decide whether to vote there or here, and that pretty much decided for me. Here, it is.

I wonder though, whether part of the reason they dumped his so fast was how this was going to reflect on Stockwell Day, and [the other guy whose name I can't remember], who were both sitting in for him during campaign events.


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dazzle me said:

" his political career is over (unless he runs for the cpc in alberta somewhere"


You mean the way Stockwell Day started running in B.C., following the revelation that Klein & Co. paid off his $450,000 libel judgement?


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Oh-oh.. another BC candidate might be having a little trouble too:

Dosanjh Biggest Donors Run Medical Firms

Man, this week has been fun, eh?


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Nice summary, Albireo, now is there any way he could drag Rob Anders down with him?
quote:
...Anders, the MP for Calgary West, has kept a low profile during the past six weeks of the election, refusing to attend all-candidates forums and not speaking to the media.

Earlier this week he travelled to B.C. to help a Tory candidate who had been injured in a car accident.

Stephen Carter, a spokesman for the Conservative party, says many Calgary MPs have travelled to other parts of the country to assist in other campaigns....

...Carter says Anders received 20 calls from constituents asking him to return to the riding...

...At an all-candidates debate at the University of Calgary Wednesday, which Anders didn't attend, his opponents called him arrogant and disrespectful for ignoring voters...



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Maybe we should email Anders and ask him when he intends to participate in this election?

In fact, I'm surprised some witty journalist hasn't prompted ALL of his constituents to "start an email campaign to find Rob".

Tres arrogant fellow.


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It looks like import tax avoider Derek "The Smuggler" Zeisman is riding a fast Mercedes on the road from Con(servative) to just a regular con...vict.
In fact, he was more or less thrown out of the party this morning.

For all his supposed education, or perhaps indoctrination, the suggestion that Canada join into an economic union with the US (I.E., uses American currency as ours,) shows he doesn't understand that the real value of the US$ is artificially high. My reasoning:
1: All petroleum is bought and sold in US dollars.
The world buys a lot of oil every day.
2: To buy oil, all countries have to buy US petrodollars first. This creates a huge demand for those dollars, and the demand keeps the price high.
3: There is a move to start paying for oil with Euros. Saddam Hussein did that in 2000, and Iraq was quickly invaded. If other nations bought and sold oil in Euros,the daily demand for US Dollars would drop, and some nations with large holdings of US bucks might use them to buy euros and so forth.
So the market value of the dollar will drop.

And if our government were to adopt economic currency union, what happens to our economy as the US buck drops in value?

Zeisman's essay submitted to Magna Corporation's "If I Were Prime Minister" essay contest.

Essay Here

[ 12 January 2006: Message edited by: StrawCat ]


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quote:
It looks like import tax avoider Derek "The Smuggler" Zeisman is riding a fast Mercedes on the road from Con(servative) to just a regular con...vict.

That's nice, it should save him a little bit of money on the design of his new business cards.

Derek Zeisman Conservatictved Canidate


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quote:
Originally posted by Contrarian:
...Carter says Anders received 20 calls from constituents asking him to return to the riding...

Approximately 8 of whom were Liberal supporters, 7 NDP, 3 Green and 2 Conservative.


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I'm quite sure that this is the happiest that I have ever seen Hephaeston. On the other hand, I'm laughing my ass off too.

Last election, the conservatives lost an opportunity to control the house by not nominating Chuck Cadman to be elected. In parliment, the conservatives lost an opportunity to control the house when Belinda crossed the floor. If there is justice, this will do the same.

So, chalk one up for the NDP.

Congratulations, Heph! I suppose you belive that there IS a God.


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quote:
Originally posted by siren:
112 containers of alcohol? What would that be --cans of beer, bottles of Champagne (to go with the up scale Mercedes -- I assume it wasn't a Smart Car Merc), 100 proof vodka?

That beats my dad’s record of 88 bottles.

quote:
Thank goodness it wasn't marijuana or handguns -- oh wait -- handguns would be fine..

There is a hilarious sign on the Canadian side of the border crossing south of Trail “You must declare all weapons when entering Canada. – including handguns” (I will take my camera for this next time).

quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Tiger:
[qb]Last election's results for BC Southern Interior:

Con - Jim Gouk - 16,940
NDP - Alex Atamanenko -16,260
Lib - Doug Stanley - 8,310
GRN - Scott Leyland - 3,663

Bill Profili is the new Lib candidate I believe. Not sure how well he's received in that area though. Leyland is in the race again. Maybe someone in the riding can give more information... [/b]


Profili is running a pretty good campaign, but he is too far back to be in contention for a win unless the Con vote completely implodes, instead of merely collapsing. In terms of signage they come in only 2 flavours – NDP and Green, This comes with the caveat that BC Southern Interior is a large riding with very different demographics across it. All the candidates and all the babblers that I know are from the West Kootenay section – the most politicised and most NDP/Green part. I have heard no reports from the con leaning South Okanagan part. The Green aim last time was to replace the Liberals for 3rd place. This may be possible as vote splitting fear is off the books now. Only Atamanenko and Leyland have name recognition from the previous campaign.

This riding is now set up for my best case outcome – NDP win with Green vote over 10% (was just under 8% last time).

It is too early for local reaction. The story broke late Wed. and todays papers aren't out yet. When you are on the 'net it is easy to forget that most people aren't, and their reaction will be delayed.

[ 12 January 2006: Message edited by: scott ]


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Just for those looking for some sort of confirmation of Rob Anders being in Southern Interior. Somebody in his campaign was on the radio (CBC 1010 at about 6:45) this morning confirming that Anders had been in Southern Interior for the past two days (missed the guys name and position in the campaign. Buddy says he was on the phone this morning with Rob and that Rob had 'made the decision to return to his own riding in response to concerns from his constituents' (very loose paraphrase there). Of course I think we all know the real reason why Rob would bolt from from Southern Interior like a cat on a hot tin roof (that's me pretending I'm 103).

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BRAKES

Wow, just thought of something here which we have all forgoten (Edit: Okay some people have forgotten, including me for a short time)

What about all of those hardcore conservative supporters. Where are they going to go? There are 4 candidates left:

Lieberal: Bill Profili
Dipper: Alex Atamenenko
Greeny: Scott Leyland
Marxist: Brian Sproule

According to Democratic Space - Riding Projections The race before this incident shaped up like this. (Keeping in mind these are projections and could be horribly off)

NDP: 35%
CPC: 31%
LIB: 21%
GRN: 7%

With the CPC vote essentially gone, we still have the question of whether the vote will shift en bloc to the liberals, in which case we might still have a race; Or whether this vote will vote at all; Or whether this vote will be split between other candidates; Or whether the vote will still remain with Zeisman.

Now, this riding is now farely solidly Orange, but not impregnable to the liberals entirely...

NDP: 45% ???
LIB: 28% ???
IND/CPC: 15% ???????????
GRN: 10% ???

[ 12 January 2006: Message edited by: West Coast Greeny ]


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As far as signs go, I drove through the riding -- from Castlegar to Manning Park -- last week, and with two exceptions (lawn signs), all the Liberal signs were on the highway.

[drift] those 'including handgun' signs are at any crossing I've been at also. [/drift]


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I think it is pretty well-established that in the BC interior there is a populist swing vote that goes Conservative or NDP, but never Liberal. Most Conservative types in BC are such pathological anti-Liberals they would mostly vote strategicaly en masse for the NDP to prevent the Liberals from getting another seat.
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Scott Wrote:

quote:
There is a hilarious sign on the Canadian side of the border crossing south of Trail “You must declare all weapons when entering Canada. – including handguns” (I will take my camera for this next time).

Make sure you post it on Babble, k?

So who's next??? I'm going to see how the Ander's thread is coming along.


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As far as I know, that seat hasn't ever gone Liberal.

My sense is that if actual Con supporters aren't going to vote for Zeisman and won't vote NDP, they'd sooner vote Green than Liberal.


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quote:
Originally posted by StrawCat:
It looks like import tax avoider Derek "The Smuggler" Zeisman is riding a fast Mercedes on the road from Con(servative) to just a regular con...vict.
In fact, he was more or less thrown out of the party this morning.

For all his supposed education, or perhaps indoctrination, the suggestion that Canada join into an economic union with the US (I.E., uses American currency as ours,) shows he doesn't understand that the real value of the US$ is artificially high. My reasoning:
1: All petroleum is bought and sold in US dollars.
The world buys a lot of oil every day.
2: To buy oil, all countries have to buy US petrodollars first. This creates a huge demand for those dollars, and the demand keeps the price high.
3: There is a move to start paying for oil with Euros. Saddam Hussein did that in 2000, and Iraq was quickly invaded. If other nations bought and sold oil in Euros,the daily demand for US Dollars would drop, and some nations with large holdings of US bucks might use them to buy euros and so forth.
So the market value of the dollar will drop.

And if our government were to adopt economic currency union, what happens to our economy as the US buck drops in value?

Zeisman's essay submitted to Magna Corporation's "If I Were Prime Minister" essay contest.

Essay Here

[ 12 January 2006: Message edited by: StrawCat ]


Well, from a fiscal standpoint, wouldn't a devaluation of U.S. Currency hurt our economy quite a lot because of our trade balance? I'm no conserviative, or financial analyst, but if we're not pegged to the U.S. dollar, any serious decline in it could have some fairly catastrophic effects on manufacturers, natural resource companies and all the associated infrastructure-type industries associated with them.

I'm not advocating our using the U.S. dollar, but I believe that is the financial argument. Of course, if the U.S. has artificially high buying power as a result of an inflated dollar, then perhaps the equitable scenario would be for a pullback of the dollar and our industry would just have to suck up and weather the adjustment.


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quote:
Originally posted by StrawCat:
It looks like import tax avoider Derek "The Smuggler" Zeisman is riding a fast Mercedes on the road from Con(servative) to just a regular con...vict.
In fact, he was more or less thrown out of the party this morning.

For all his supposed education, or perhaps indoctrination, the suggestion that Canada join into an economic union with the US (I.E., uses American currency as ours,) shows he doesn't understand that the real value of the US$ is artificially high. My reasoning:
1: All petroleum is bought and sold in US dollars.
The world buys a lot of oil every day.
2: To buy oil, all countries have to buy US petrodollars first. This creates a huge demand for those dollars, and the demand keeps the price high.
3: There is a move to start paying for oil with Euros. Saddam Hussein did that in 2000, and Iraq was quickly invaded. If other nations bought and sold oil in Euros,the daily demand for US Dollars would drop, and some nations with large holdings of US bucks might use them to buy euros and so forth.
So the market value of the dollar will drop.

And if our government were to adopt economic currency union, what happens to our economy as the US buck drops in value?

Zeisman's essay submitted to Magna Corporation's "If I Were Prime Minister" essay contest.

Essay Here

[ 12 January 2006: Message edited by: StrawCat ]


Well, from a fiscal standpoint, wouldn't a devaluation of U.S. Currency hurt our economy quite a lot because of our trade balance? I'm no conserviative, or financial analyst, but if we're not pegged to the U.S. dollar, any serious decline in it could have some fairly catastrophic effects on manufacturers, natural resource companies and all the associated infrastructure-type industries associated with them.

I'm not advocating our using the U.S. dollar, but I believe that is the financial argument. Of course, if the U.S. has artificially high buying power as a result of an inflated dollar, then perhaps the equitable scenario would be for a pullback of the dollar and our industry would just have to suck up and weather the adjustment.


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posted 12 January 2006 02:07 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post

Aren't candidates required to be older than 16 years old?

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quote:
Originally posted by deBeauxOs:

Aren't candidates required to be older than 16 years old?

18.


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posted 12 January 2006 02:46 PM      Profile for rockerbiff   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Green candidate is a healthcare professional who has lived all his life in Trail, every candidate will in this riding will get more votes, the question is who will get the most. I don't think the NDP are a shoe in here.

Sorry I forgot it is after the deadline, no candidate can be replaced now, silly me.

quote:
Originally posted by Amy:
As far as I know, that seat hasn't ever gone Liberal.

My sense is that if actual Con supporters aren't going to vote for Zeisman and won't vote NDP, they'd sooner vote Green than Liberal.


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posted 12 January 2006 02:49 PM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Huh? I totally don't get what you mean. There is no way this guy is gonna win now.
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posted 12 January 2006 02:55 PM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post
OK, it's too late to change the ballot, so Zeisman will be on it as a conservative. Harper has said that if he wins he won't sit in caucus. What I wanna know is, whether he wins or not, will the conservatives accept the $1.75 a vote stipend or not?
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posted 12 January 2006 03:00 PM      Profile for rockerbiff   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It will be a sad statement if he does win.

Mind you there is a high level of "underground economy" going on in the Kootenays, if those people actually came out to vote....

My guess is they will be to stoned to vote anyway.

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Originally posted by S1m0n:
OK, it's too late to change the ballot, so Zeisman will be on it as a conservative. Harper has said that if he wins he won't sit in caucus. What I wanna know is, whether he wins or not, will the conservatives accept the $1.75 a vote stipend or not?

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posted 12 January 2006 03:03 PM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
s1m0n, that's a really good question. I can't imagine it being a lot of money, but I think that it's something worth raising a big stink over, given that the Cons are always preaching 'integrity' and the like.
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posted 12 January 2006 03:06 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:

Most Conservative types in BC are such pathological anti-Liberals they would mostly vote strategicaly en masse for the NDP to prevent the Liberals from getting another seat.



Unless we're talking about BC "Liberals", that is...

quote:
Originally posted by Amy:

My sense is that if actual Con supporters aren't going to vote for Zeisman and won't vote NDP, they'd sooner vote Green than Liberal.



That is my reading of it, too, as well as several of my politics-watching friends.

Oh, and WCG...? I was even happier about something a month or so ago. You just didn't see it. *smirk*

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posted 12 January 2006 03:09 PM      Profile for Kim Smith        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Contrarian:
Nice summary, Albireo, now is there any way he could drag Rob Anders down with him?

Rob Anders antics made some headlines in Richmond earlier this year when he sent a mailing to people in that ares using his MP's mailing privileges. There was a questionnaire that asked if people liked being shot to death by criminals let loose by Liberal/NDP softheads, or if they approved of "homosexual sex marriage".

I would like to know if any of this stuff made the Calgary Sun, or Calgary Herald, or even CBC or Global/CTV in Calgary. I am willing to bet that the voters in Anders' Calgary riding have heard nothing at all about his foreign missionary work in BC.

And while I am as amused as anyone else to see this Tiny Tory implode I have to worry just a bit too. Harper cut this albatross lose pretty quickly and pretty effectively. While this particular riding has been completely flattened as far as the Conservatives are concerned (it was actually leaning away from them anyway), on the national level, Harper may actually have gained a point or two out of this episode with wavering Grit/Tory swing voters in BC and Ontario.


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posted 12 January 2006 03:12 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by rockerbiff:

It will be a sad statement if he does win.

Mind you there is a high level of "underground economy" going on in the Kootenays, if those people actually came out to vote....

My guess is they will be to stoned to vote anyway.



That's just insulting to pot smokers and growers. I am, or have been, both, and I never fail to vote. Also, what on EARTH makes you think any pot smokers or growers would naturally support the Reformatories? Most of them are NDP or Green supporters, I'd wager.

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Maybe the NDP in Richmond should send some flyers about Anders out to Calgary West, eh?
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posted 12 January 2006 03:16 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
Interesting question for Mr. Harper:

I agree his candidacy can't be pulled now.

But the local party can cease campaigning for him and Harper himself can urge voters to not support him.

The way I see it, even if he is found to be innocent of all charges, the fact that he withheld this information from the party makes him unsuitable to sit for any party.


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posted 12 January 2006 03:19 PM      Profile for scott   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:
According to Democratic Space - Riding Projections The race before this incident shaped up like this. (Keeping in mind these are projections and could be horribly off)

NDP: 35%
CPC: 31%
LIB: 21%
GRN: 7%


Nah. I think that those numbers are based on broad trends and don't reflect local inputs or news.

2004:
Con: 36%
NDP: 35%
Lib: 18%
GRN: 8%

My call now:
NDP: 45%
Con: 25%
Lib: 18%
GRN: 12%

or best case:
NDP: 45%
Con: 24%
GRN: 16%
Lib: 15%

Woo Hoo!

Also lets not forget that there are about 2.3% Independant, Canadian Action Party and Marijuana votes cast last time that are in play this time:
Wikipedia: British Columbia Southern Interior

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posted 12 January 2006 03:21 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I don't think Harper gained anything out of this. For a whole day the story got him of message, it reminded people that Tories can have ethical lapses like anyone else, and took the spotlight away from the controversial Liberal ads. Meanwhile, the Liberal attack ads on harper are still running and may yet be dislodging some soft Conservative votes (and hopefully sending them to the NDP)
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posted 12 January 2006 03:35 PM      Profile for Natesta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Looks like he's been dumped
Though his name can't be removed from the ticket... he's being dumped by the party.

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posted 12 January 2006 04:00 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Kim Smith:

Harper cut this albatross lose pretty quickly and pretty effectively.

Effectively? No doubt, although we'll see how it plays out. Quickly? Hard to be sure. He cut him loose fairly soon after the story became news, yes--although that was a flip-flop, because the party's initial reaction was to back the guy. But it's unclear how long the party have known about this--it seems as if they may have been aware of it for a while.
So. Did Harper know all along and only cut the guy loose when the media made him a big public liability? That would have very little to do with ethics and everything to do with Liberal-style "Corruption is nothing. Image is everything" PR management. If that gets a look from the media it could yet haunt Harper. If we're going to blog or send letters to the media, this strikes me as the real question:
What did Harper and the Conservative party apparatus know and when did they know it?


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posted 12 January 2006 04:07 PM      Profile for rockerbiff   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I don't think there is anything stopping him from winning as a Conservative and dumping them to run as an independent, presuming he wins.
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posted 12 January 2006 04:10 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Don't know if there's still anything to discuss about this, but this thread is getting too long. Can we continue things over here, please?

Thank you.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rufus Polson:
Did Harper know all along and only cut the guy loose when the media made him a big public liability?

Would you have signed this moron's nomination papers knowing all this? I can accept you guys think Harper is stupid but he couldn't be that stupid.


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posted 12 January 2006 07:31 PM      Profile for pebbles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Natesta:
Looks like he's been dumped
Though his name can't be removed from the ticket... he's being dumped by the party.

Betty ("Asian Invasion") Granger still took over 3000 votes under similar circumstances two elections ago.


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posted 12 January 2006 09:55 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by deBeauxOs:

Aren't candidates required to be older than 16 years old?

Isn't that Dave Foley dressed up?


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posted 13 January 2006 02:14 PM      Profile for Kaitlin Stocks   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I saw a Tory commercial last night slamming the Libs for condoning drug smuggling...

But alcohol smuggling is totally fine, right?

Right.


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