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Sharon
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posted 06 April 2004 12:20 PM      Profile for Sharon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The Ayoub family spent 53 years living in refugee camps in Lebanon. In 2001, they arrived in Quebec and applied for refugee status. Three years later, they have been turned down and ordered deported back to Lebanon. They have taken refuge in a Montreal church.

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Brenda
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posted 06 April 2004 01:37 PM      Profile for Brenda     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jesus that's sad. Does the province you happen to be staying in when you apply for refugee status have any say in the matter? I mean, thousands and thousands of Haitians have emmigrated to Quebec, but they speak the language.....
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Cueball
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posted 06 April 2004 01:43 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
French is more or less a second Language in Lebanon, which is a former french colony.
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lagatta
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posted 06 April 2004 01:48 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are many thousands of Lebanese, and Haitians here in Québec because indeed they do speak French, as well as Arabic and Creole, respectively.

But this is a case of admitting REFUGEES, or people on a humanitarian basis. Given their age and lack of highly-specialised skills (from what I can tell from the story) these people are unlikely to participate in the labour force here. Unlike economic immigrants, refugees are admitted under our obligation to PROTECT other human beings.

I believe people in the church congregation were willing to help support these people.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 06 April 2004 01:54 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is that why their claim was denied? Language?
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Michelle
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posted 06 April 2004 02:46 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It doesn't say that in the article, Magoo.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 06 April 2004 02:52 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, it doesn't. But Brenda, Cueball and Lagatta mention French, so I'm asking.
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Brenda
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posted 06 April 2004 03:08 PM      Profile for Brenda     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
It doesn't say that in the article, Magoo.

It doesn't say anything in the article about why their claim was denied, that's what we are trying to figure out.
This seems to be a growing trend in rabble features, omitting pertinent information.

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Hinterland
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posted 06 April 2004 03:16 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
By "trying to figure out", you mean searching the web for a source explaining why the claim was denied? Let me know if you find anything.
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Sharon
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posted 06 April 2004 05:30 PM      Profile for Sharon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In order to be admitted as a refugeee, you must be able to prove that you are in fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion. As the story notes, this is why the government is being asked to re-examine the Ayoub/Haddad case based on humanitarian grounds -- the fact that they have no country and would be headed back to a camp.
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Cueball
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posted 06 April 2004 07:38 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
doesn't say anything in the article about why their claim was denied, that's what we are trying to figure out.
This seems to be a growing trend in rabble features, omitting pertinent information.

My understanding is that some aspects of immigration and refugee claims are held In camera. It may be that the reason for the judgement may not be available. It may also be that the person involved don't know, as yet. Don't presume that the knowledge is readily available.

But of course an explanation would be informative.


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