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Stockholm
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posted 07 April 2006 01:32 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Interesting new documents unearthed about how Hitler had "einsatzgruppen" standing by in Athens in 1942, all set to start killing all 600,000 Jews living in Palestine had Rommel made it there. Apparently, the Germans were counting on getting lots of help from the local Arabs.

http://tinyurl.com/zjcqy


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josh
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posted 07 April 2006 01:46 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Just as he got help from Poles, Russians and Ukranians.

Your link doesn't work, btw.


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Stockholm
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posted 07 April 2006 01:48 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, the link works.

No wonder the Mufti of Jerusalem was openly praying for a German victory in WW2. Of course I'm sure Hitler thought of Arabs as being only ever so slightly less "sub-human" than Jews.


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voice of the damned
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posted 07 April 2006 02:02 PM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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No wonder the Mufti of Jerusalem was openly praying for a German victory in WW2. Of course I'm sure Hitler thought of Arabs as being only ever so slightly less "sub-human" than Jews.


The old Mufti wasn't the only one hoping for a Nazi victory.

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The solving in this manner of the Jewish problem, thus bringing with it once and for all the liberation of the Jewish people, is the objective of the political activity and the years-long struggle of the Israeli freedom movement, the National Military Organization (Irgun Zvai Leumi) in Palestine.

The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:

Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.
Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and,
The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.
Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively lake part in the war on Germany’s side.


http://tinyurl.com/s46br

http://tinyurl.com/qhyox

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S1m0n
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posted 07 April 2006 02:05 PM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
No wonder the Mufti of Jerusalem was openly praying for a German victory in WW2.

He'd have been appointed under the Turks, rulers of Palestine until ww1. Turkey was allied with Hitler.

It's not plausible to speculate that an obscure figure in a land occupied by the enemy would know anything about Hitler's future plans, when no one at the time (41 & 42) even knew what was actually going on in Poland.


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Hephaestion
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posted 07 April 2006 02:39 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Awww, you guys... you're ruining Stockholm's one-sided hatefest of all things Arab. Have a heart.
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Stockholm
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posted 07 April 2006 02:43 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Turkey was allied with Hitler.

No, Turkey was neutral in WW2.


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Fidel
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posted 07 April 2006 02:45 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by josh:
Just as he got help from Poles, Russians and Ukranians.

...and Belgian's, Croats, Lithunanian's, Kosovar-Albanian's etc. Millions of Jews suffered under Tsarist pogroms previous.

Half a million Jewish soldiers, including 30 thousand Jewish partisanis, fought for the Red Army during the Nazi war of annihilation against Russia. They were there at Stalingrad and Leningrad.


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lagatta
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posted 07 April 2006 03:03 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I don't see why this thread was in Middle East to begin with. It is about something that DIDN'T HAPPEN in the Middle East, plotted by Europeans, with a plan for world domination. I'd have put it in anti-racism (genocide) or humanities (history).

There were also Irish nationalists who sided with Hitler, on the most specious theory that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". No doubt far from the only example.

Just proves those durned Irish are secretly Nazis...


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Cueball
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posted 07 April 2006 04:48 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:

No, Turkey was neutral in WW2.


Yes the Turkish question during the war. Interesting. Newspapers at the time were gleeful when Germany invaded Poland, and there was much support for entry into the war. Attaturk was recently dead, and for some reason despite enormous internal and external preassure the Turkish government abstained, thankfully.

This resulted in a show down in the Rumelia after the Germans overan Yogoslavia in early 1941, and a great portion of the German army seemed poised at the gates of Turkey. The Turkish army was deployed in strength in Rumelia with the explicit intention of indicating that Turkey would fight, were the Germans attempt to force a decision on Turkish neutrality.

Interesting also in that the Turkish model for Holocaust against the Armenians during WW1 was actually studied by some SS commanders who later tried to exterminate Europes Jews.

It is very likely that the war might have turned out differently had the underbelly of the Caucuses been exposed to the Wermacht or even a Turkish invasion, cutting the Russian oil supply, likewise for Iraq, Kuwait and the Levant. Or even, and this is an interesting bit (speaking of misguided political idealogues) had Lehi (Stern Gang -- Irgun) been able to fashion their Jewish Totalitarian state in the Middle East with the backing of Adolph Hitler as they hoped:


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In 1940 and 1941, Lehi proposed intervening in the Second World War on the side of Nazi Germany to attain their help in expelling Britain from Mandate Palestine and to offer their assistance in "evacuating" the Jews of Europe arguing that "common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO (Lehi)." Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik was sent to Beirut where he met the German official Werner Otto von Hentig and delivered a letter from Lehi offering to "actively take part in the war on Germany's side" in return for German support for "the establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich". Von Hentig forwarded the letter to the German embassy in Ankara, but there is no record of any official response. Lehi tried to establish contact with the Germans again in December 1941, also apparently without success.


Lehi

Of course, I don't think that musings of a few members of Zionist leadership in any way explicitly impugn Israel, Jews or even Zionism today, as there were people all over the world who sought German and Japanese support in throwing over British empire.

There is a lot of dirty laundry from WW2.

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Michelle
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posted 07 April 2006 07:13 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh yeah, I can see that THIS thread is going to go well.

quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
I don't see why this thread was in Middle East to begin with. It is about something that DIDN'T HAPPEN in the Middle East, plotted by Europeans, with a plan for world domination. I'd have put it in anti-racism (genocide) or humanities (history).

I think it was posted here to be provocative.


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