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posted 22 March 2006 01:16 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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For the past several decades, and especially since the Six-Day War in 1967, the centrepiece of US Middle Eastern policy has been its relationship with Israel. The combination of unwavering support for Israel and the related effort to spread ‘democracy’ throughout the region has inflamed Arab and Islamic opinion and jeopardised not only US security but that of much of the rest of the world. This situation has no equal in American political history. Why has the US been willing to set aside its own security and that of many of its allies in order to advance the interests of another state? One might assume that the bond between the two countries was based on shared strategic interests or compelling moral imperatives, but neither explanation can account for the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the US provides.

The Israel Lobby


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B.L. Zeebub LLD
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posted 22 March 2006 05:31 AM      Profile for B.L. Zeebub LLD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I realise this article discusses U.S. policy to some degree, but I think this thread might be better placed in the ME Forum....
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posted 22 March 2006 06:11 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I don't know. It has the "I" word in it. On the other hand it does not have the "P" word so it may be ok for here.
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posted 22 March 2006 08:54 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by B.L. Zeebub LLD:
I realise this article discusses U.S. policy to some degree, but I think this thread might be better placed in the ME Forum....

Yup.


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posted 29 March 2006 06:50 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Noam Chomsky praises the authors of the London Review article for their courage -- but demolishes (IMHO) their central thesis:

Noam Chomsky on the Israel Lobby controversy


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N.Beltov
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posted 29 March 2006 07:12 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ha ha! I love Chomsky's reference to Harold Rosenberg’s description of intellectuals when Chomsky describes “the herd of independent minds” who are sure to noisily denounce the recent piece in the LRB. Here is the full passage:

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M-W deserve credit for taking a position that is sure to elicit tantrums and fanatical lies and denunciations, but it’s worth noting that there is nothing unusual about that. Take any topic that has risen to the level of Holy Writ among “the herd of independent minds” (to borrow Harold Rosenberg’s famous description of intellectuals): for example, anything having to do with the Balkan wars, which played a huge role in the extraordinary campaigns of self-adulation that disfigured intellectual discourse towards the end of the millennium, going well beyond even historical precedents, which are ugly enough. Naturally, it is of extraordinary importance to the herd to protect that self-image, much of it based on deceit and fabrication. Therefore, any attempt even to bring up plain (undisputed, surely relevant) facts is either ignored (M-W can’t be ignored), or sets off most impressive tantrums, slanders, fabrications and deceit, and the other standard reactions. Very easy to demonstrate, and by no means limited to these cases.

He may not be a socialist but he's not bad at all.


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posted 29 March 2006 07:49 PM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think you should give the LLINK to The Israel Lobby, by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt.

Canadian Dimension did a poor job of editing Chomsky's article and I think he might think twice about C-D for future submissions.


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posted 29 March 2006 09:20 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by goyanamasu:
I think you should give the LLINK to The Israel Lobby, by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt.

Canadian Dimension did a poor job of editing Chomsky's article and I think he might think twice about C-D for future submissions.


Well, the LRB link was in the first post in the thread...

As for CD, they took Chomsky's article from Znet:

Chomsky's article on Znet

But it looks the same at first glance.


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posted 30 March 2006 04:07 AM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thanks unionist. Do you know if CD printed it on paper? Not that it makes any difference.
Chomsky has criticized some of his friends who are now online constantly. He says the quality of their writing has deteriorated with the looseness of this media. Well maybe. But like everybody, he too needs an editor.

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