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Jewish People's
Liberation Organization (J PLO):
Organisation pour la liberation du Peuple Juif (OLP J)
a Non-Zionist Declaration v4.2.2
{ Jewish Bundist Organization - Warszawa }

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Montréal Kébèk
January 1, 1988 ACE / 5749 / 1409
revised 1993, 1996, 1998
version 4.2.2 : 25/03/1998 ACE

E-mail NEWSLIST:
SaaLaHa Reconciliation Conference LIST

We, the Jewish People, are a wandering Nation who have
been seeking a secure right to live in those lands where we
reside. It has been written that the Jewish nation is the most
oppressed in Europe, and judging from the persistence of
anti-Jewish prejudice, one has to acknowledge the distinctly
historic proportion of that oppression. Never have we been
permitted a continuous homeland for more than a few hundred
years before another expulsion takes place. Now it seems that
the possibility of complete extermination is not out of the
question, judging by the degree to which the recent Nazi
Holocaust was permitted to proceed. The consequences of
such a reactionary demonstration of power have not been
concluded, since fascism continues to function, and the
response of a permanent revolutionary wave throughout the
world has yet to reach its full proportions.
2. At the present time, confusion is spread by those
seeking only to establish a power-base for themselves and so
will attack Jewish people while posing as either anti-Zionists,
German nationalists, Christian zealots, or more recently, as
"White" Power advocates. The manipulations of the
newer-Nazis and even former Nazis are by no means irrelevant
as Western Nation-States have repeatedly demonstrated how
much suffering they are willing to have the Jewish people
endure in continuation of the various crusades launched against
us and the Arab and African Muslim nations.
3. Although the Arab nation has largely been absent
from the persecutions of the European Christian Nation-States,
the Zionist settler-colonial organizations and parties have moved
into Palestine based on the disadvantaged position of the
resident population. Zionism built itself upon the Western need
to make its amends when at the same time the West rejected
the Jewish post-war refugees, who could not tolerate racism in
Europe any longer or Stalinism in the Soviet Union. The Zionist
parties accepted the Christian States' exclusion of the Jewish
people from its very inception in exchange for their support.
The realization of Zionism is the fulfilment of the Protestant
"restorationist" programme which preceded it. The successes
of Zionism have merely been accomplished through its
assimilation to the Western Christian-Statist notions of religious
militarism with its Crusader orientation towards the "Middle
East". The Jewish Zionists adopt the Christian image of ancient
Israelites, while the actual Israelites actually had more in
common with their Semitic brothers and sisters, including their
common Aramaic language, rather than Hebrew. Israel
resembles the 52nd state of the U.S.A. more than the Kingdom
of David and Solomon (who was also of Hittite parentage).
The Jewish people need to liberate themselves from the
Christian Nation-State and the ideology of Zionism which is
only the colonized mentality of assimilation into the dogma of
Protestantism, that sees the only place for Jewish people being
in Israel.
4. The Zionists and the Arabic peoples are in a state
of no war / no peace which the Israeli governments seek to
perpetuate in order to suppress and maintain the Palestinians in
exile. Only the balance of forces has resulted in certain limited
and partial concessions towards the independence of the
Palestinian People. While such concessions are welcome,
these represent only the beginning of the reconciliation
(SaaLaHa) process. It is obvious that the resistance of the
Palestinian youth in the Intifada since 1987, the diplomatic
initiatives of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the
internal Israeli opposition of the Peace Now - Gush Shalom
movement has brought about the agreements for which the
Israeli and U.S. governments take credit.
5. However the Palestinians and the Jewish people
are tied together by bonds stronger than war, more amiable
than the antiquity, and more than each People realizes. It is
not a semantic coincidence that anti-Semitism means both the
Jewish and the Arabic peoples are feared and hated in the
Occidental political culture. The bonds that unite Jewish and
Arab people in practice extend to the degree that the
Palestinian struggle should necessarily stand for the liberation
of the Jewish people as well from anti-Semitism and from
Zionism; and the Jewish struggle for liberation needs to also
include the liberation of the Palestinians, each in reciprocity to
the other. It is evident that a common struggle against
resurgent fascism is a vital necessity.
6. It is necessary to break out of the impasse
constructed by the Zionists who believed that Zionism
presented the only recourse for Jewish refugees, and now
presents the only recourse for future security, as if the Israeli
State is to be worshipped as a diety. The Jewish People must be
liberated from Zionist ideology by the actual fulfilment of our
civil and collective rights in pluralist society, by national-cultural
autonomy and possibly even territorialism. Territorial claims of
course must only be considered valid if they respect such
claims in general. One takes into consideration that the
achievement of national auto-determination by the pursuit of
independence is, of course, the right of every national entity, if
only accomplished by means of the reciprocal principle,
respecting mutual interests and rights.
7. Although both the WWII Allies and the Zionist
movement presented Palestine as the only avenue to leave
Europe for Jewish people in 1947, the reluctance of many
Jewish Holocaust Survivors living in the Displaced Persons
districts to become zionist colonialists enforced their emigration
to North America. More recently the Zionist enterprise has not
even been considered a desirable situation by Israelis
themselves, who have emigrated en masse. The Jewish people
in the Federation of Russia do not have even a choice in the
matter because of the U.S.A. / Canada quota system, in much
the same way as they were excluded before and during World
War II, with the collaboration of the Zionist organization.
8. It is in the interests of the Palestinian people's
struggle to support the Jewish struggle against racism so that
there will no longer be the apparent need for the only
alternative currently presented to aid the Jewish people. The
great loss of the Jewish revolutionary socialists (Bundists) to
Nazism and to Stalinism has removed the most viable
alternative to Zionism. There is an intertwining of the two
struggles so that a solution to Palestinian-Arab oppression is
circumscribed unless there is an end to Jewish oppression in
general; whether or not this conclusion is welcomed by any
Palestinian party. To begin with, one cannot ignore, and so
accept the existence of fascists and even Nazis presenting
themselves as anti-Zionists. It should be obvious as a
counter-revolutionary act, and that it serves to hinder the
development of a Jewish alternative to Zionist hegemony. The
same is true in return; whether or not Jewish people accept
that peace will only be achieved with the emancipation of the
Palestinians -- all else is conjunctural to both Peoples.
The ties that bind our two peoples are a consequence of the
recent European purging of the Jewish population even though
the Arab peoples had no responsibility in the Holocaust. The
pertinence of the nature of Jewish existence to Arab concerns
should rather be based upon the necessary world perspective
with which to achieve their own national emancipation. This is
a strategic consideration which identifies racism and fascism as
common concerns. Arab nationalities in Occidental countries
know very well what these concerns are.
9. We shall not be enslaved, made homeless, nor
killed when it is so dictated by the whims of ideology, and so we
are hated whether we be Jewish or Palestinian. Why then
should either of us consider the Occidental World to be our ally,
and the other to be an enemy. We are of the same status,
origins and oppression, and so if we cannot co-exist in peace
then no-one, it seems, will be able to, because of the powers
which strive for political hegemony and oligapolistic economic
dictatorship.
A Jewish Alternative to Zionism
10. Together with the continuing degeneration into
a social existence of perpetual war and war preparation --
called peace -- there has arisen (Yesh Gvual / There is a
Frontier amongst the Israeli military, Shalom Achshav /
Peace Now) a dynamic of resistance to war and its
corresponding economic stagnation. Despite all the formal
rationales designed to perpetuate what is universally abhorred,
a Jewish opposition to the Zionist leadership and their followers
of both the left and the right has emerged. This opposition is
inevitable as long as we are pushed, educated, trained, ordered,
tricked and then led into fighting yet another war, a secular
'Sacrifice for Israel'. Ironically the perpetuation of the rationale
for violence has rebounded unto itself with the assassination of
the Israeli Prime Minister Rabin himself, because he failed to
live up to his ideology's prerequisites, by having sought to
accommodate the leading Palestinian figure, the President
Yassar Arafat.
11. The need and desire for a Jewish territory that
is self-determinant -- freed from expulsions and pogroms -- has
been led into the fortified ghetto being called Eretz Yisroel but
which actually operates as the State of Israel under the
auspices of the U.S.A.
12. The territorial solution that had been sought has
been converted into an absolutist religious idea, replacing the
traditionalist culture and its meditative routine of ritual. Prior to
the Holocaust the concept of the deity was considered to have
the power to deliver the chosen people towards salvation. With
the dissolution of religious ideological practice itself, there arose
territorialist Zionist parties based on the surviving religious
conviction that only in the Land of Israel (Canaan) could
there be formed a Jewish homeland. Such an idea was
encouraged by the Christian States which were refusing entry
to the Jewish refugees with the complicity of the Zionist parties.
13. However, the nature of things is that currently a
greater proportion of Jewish people live in lands other than
Palestine (Israel): in North America, Russia, Europe, South
America, the Makreb (north Africa) or other Arab countries,
southern Africa, India, Pakistan, China and elsewhere. In fact
less than a third of the world's more than 14 million Jewish
people live under the State of Israel. The fundamental premise
of Zionist theory has in practice been ignored or rejected
consciously by the greater proportion of all the Jewish people,
who are non-Zionists. Israel is thus not considered the sole
legitimate homeland of the Jewish people.
14. The Jewish nationality exists within and without
the Israeli State. However the non-Israeli Jewish communities
live within an illusion of assimilation oftentimes sugar-coated in
Zionist acquiescence or pretension. While the territorialist
yearnings of Jewish people -- to form a majoritarian society --is
currently sifted into the Zionist pot, the territorial need should
actually be satisfied in those areas where Jewish communities
are centered, where our rights as citizens must and shall be
met to truly satisfy our social existence. This is
auto-determination for all the Jewish people rather than the
pseudo-independence of the Israeli State.
15. Presently Zionism negates the very freedom of
auto-determination, which it itself claims to represent, by
attempting to submerge the Palestinian people below the level
of the struggle for Inter-national auto-emancipation; the only
common definition for freedom. One's right to
auto-determination is predicated upon the respect one holds for
that very same right as it is held up by others. One's principled
needs cannot be fulfilled unless such a right is to be upheld for
all others as well, as a principle, forging a solidarity through

which we become allies on the basis of our reciprocal rights.
In this way are our needs to be ensured, not by militarism. In
this manner, one reaches (as did Israel Zangwill) "a land
without a people for a people without a land" *, and not by
means of the Israeli-supervised Sabra-Shatila massacre -- a
pogrom which has ended the illusions of all who are not
deluded. After the Hebron reoccurrence and the assassination
of Yitzhak Rabin, such anti-human outbreaks can easily be seen
as being integral to the lingering status quo situation.
16. An historic turning point has been passed. Let
it be universally acknowledged, as it has been by the past
Director of the Planning Center of the Palestine Liberation
Organization in Beirut, Lebanon, and currently Palestinian
Authority Planning Minister (Nabil Sha'ath), as early as 1977,
that the Palestinian Charter;
signifies equally, that the exercise by the
people of Palestine of their right of
self-determination in Palestine does not
include the right to exclude the palestinian
Jews from Palestine, that signifies also
that this right does not include the right to
create in Palestine a State solely arab.
The right to self-determination of the
Palestinian People, applied to the jewish
Palestinians, means that they must
exercise this right on the land of Palestine,
and that this right does not include the
right of separation and consequently, the
exclusion of the Arab people of Palestine.
This is why the right to self-determination
of Jews and of Arabs in Palestine must be
exercised in common on the same land,
Palestine. **
The Principle of Reciprocity is thereby acknowledged by
Shaath:
that signifies the end of all States which
require that the self-determination of its
ethnic group assumes the exclusion of
another ethnic group ... it is thus the
definitive end of all States in which
segregation exists de jure or de facto. **

Ethnic-cleansing then is refuted by the PLO and the hypocrisy
of Zionism remains. Currently the Palestine National Authority
is attempting a negotiated settlement in ambiguous terms which
provides for the partial solution of two States. Further
negotiations between the two States cannot be expected to
produce the desired results because of the terribly unbalanced
power relation.
17. According to tradition, the Jewish people are the
second brothers and sisters of the Palestinian Arab People, and
it should be understood that the respect given to another is the
measure of the respect to be expected, in any reciprocal
manner of living. We, the Jewish People, should acknowledge
that the Palestinian tradition parallels the Jewish history in
duration, intensity and tragedy. We recognize the historic
cultural affinities with the Holy Land by the Jewish People but
we do not consider our history to be exclusive of others. The
Neutura Karta provide an example of Jewish residents who
have lived in peace with the Palestinians in Jerusalem.
18. The one comprehensive solution presented, of an
all-inclusive pluralistic Palestine, is an alternative to war; that
is, a solution poly-national in scope, including all the
Palestinians who are able to return, including the resident
Jewish population and including the Druze people. The method
of resolution available is an international conference of
reconciliation for all concerned parties, this being an immediate
necessity and possibility; a mechanism provided with some
momentum by the current peace process.
However the intransigence of many Zionist Israelis will not
allow them to tolerate the return of the Palestinian refugees
because of their will to remain a majority. Such a paralysis
could be resolved by the departure of those who insist that
there is not enough space for the Palestinians' return, but many
Israelis currently wish to leave if they could in any case.
Independence and Territoriality
19. The State of Israel of 1948 was not the unique
first attempt to initiate a modern Jewish homeland or territory;
the first attempts having been in 1791, the Czarist prison called
the Pale of Settlement in western Russia, and in 1926 at
Birobidjan in easternmost Russia. A true Jewish Land failed to
materialize from the Bolshevik revolution, despite the Leninist
promise to the Jewish Bund / Union organization of 1905.
Those attempts have failed the test of viability and yet the
Jewish people have continued to desire those features of life
unavailable to them in the prevailing States; that is, urban
national-cultural autonomy in existing settings and the need for
autonomous or independent territories. This need for a Land is
evident in the worship from afar politics of the various Jewish
communities towards the Israeli State, a desire which is based
upon the real needs for land, security, peace and the freedom
of identity and culture historically denied the Jewish people.
Existing societies do not provide for these material necessities,
and prevailing political doctrines do not consider these Jewish
needs. However Jewish territorialism should not and need not
mean the abandonment of traditional Jewish opposition to
political power manipulations and Statism. Considering the
failure of the Zionist project, there may be a need for such
territories to accommodate Sephardim and Ashkenazim in
their respective regions in order to facilitate the departing Israeli
population who wish to remain a majoritarian society or who
have no country to go to and do not wish to remain in Palestine.
At the present time the Russian Jewish population is being
obliged to emigrate to the Zionist State even though previous
immigrants now wish to leave.
The crisis in Palestine is an inter-national problem and
should be placed in a world context. The solution to Palestinian
liberation is intertwined with the liberation of the Jewish People
worldwide. As such it is conceivable that a Ashkenazic
territory could be formed to accommodate the Jewish
populations of Russia and Europe, as well as an autonomous
territory for Sepharade in the Makhreb, and national - cultural
autonomy for the Hebrew Jewish nationality in Palestine.
20. In this aftermath of the Nazi Holocaust, no one
should deny the hostility of prevailing Occidental Nation-States
to national minorities, as none of the participants or spectators
in that war of extermination have undergone a substantial
transformation. The Zionist establishment follows these
Nation-States in parallel, seeking to jump into the footsteps of
power politics. How bizarre it is that a stockpile of at least 200
genocidal nuclear bombs with a Jericho intermediate-range
missile to carry them have been accumulated by a State
professing peaceful intentions and created in the aftermath of
our genocide. This hypocrisy is evident in the Israeli and
Zionist support for the criminal actions of the USA-led axis with
respect to Iraq, Iran and the Libyan Jamahiriya.
21. Should anti-Semitism be permitted to exist
because of those who do not believe it is possible to overcome
racism? Is that why the Labour Zionists signed the Haavra
(Transfer) Agreement so acting in complicity with the Nazi
Third Reich, as early as August 1933. Does this not reveal
that those who accept the existence of racism in others accept
it also in themselves? Has Zionism recreated the footsteps of
those whom it did not have the will to oppose? Who could dare
to dictate obedience to Zionism after its adherents generally
acted as spectators to the spectacle of the Holocaust?
A Jewish Revolutionary Movement
22. In the tradition of the early nationalist formation
-- the 1897 Jewish Bund (General Jewish Workers'
League), and based on prior efforts in the development of the
Jewish People's Liberation Organization such as the
Toronto-based Alliance of Non-Zionist Jews (1974), the
group Canadian Jews Supporting the Palestinians (1980
UN - NGO) and, the publication Logik un Sychel, we are
building a movement for liberation on an inter-national basis.
We are also indebted to the Israeli Committee Against the
War which publicly protested the 1982 war on its very first day
and so inspired the Peace Now movement of 500,000
participants.
23. The Jewish People's Liberation Organization,
a non-zionist formation, acts on behalf of the Jewish and
Palestinian Peoples to generate national emancipation in
cooperation with the Palestinian movement for the liberation of
Palestine, as a contribution to making war unneeded and
unwanted. As an ally of the Palestinian People in this struggle,
we greet the Palestine National Council in solidarity.
24. Likewise, the J PLO exists as an ally of the
other liberation movements operating in our common societies:
New Africans/African Americans, Indigenous Peoples,
Kébékoise, Chicana, Puerto Rican, African-Caribbean, or
Azanian (South Africa); consequently we declare our support
to the International Human Rights Association of American
Minorities (NGO) and the Anti-Racist Action (ARA)
movement.

~~ J PLO Basic Principles ~~

1) We call for a complete immediate withdrawal of
all the Israeli military and intelligence services from the
Palestinian territories occupied by Israel during the 1967 war,
in accordance with U.N. resolutions. Withdrawal from both
the occupied Lebanese and Syrian territories is also a
necessary precondition for peaceful relations among the
societies of the eastern Mediterranean.

2) We call for the creation of a fully independent
Palestinian Country; a Civil Society with all the powers of a
State, in accordance with U.N. resolutions, throughout the
territories, with full U.N. membership rights, including east
Jerusalem and serving as a democratic and pluralist territory for
all people of Palestinian origin, serving to reunite families
continuing to live in refugee camps throughout the eastern
Mediterranean region.
Such provisions should not be interpreted as possibly
restricting the individual civil and collective rights of the
Palestinians living in the Israeli administration, comprising 19%
of that citizenry.
Full voting rights for all Palestinians to the Palestine
National Council are necessary for those who were forced to
flee Palestine during the 1948 and 1967 wars, or during the
years of Israeli occupation, as well as for holders of Israeli
citizenship.
Likewise Jewish residents who live in
Palestinian-controlled lands in peace are assured their individual
civil and collective rights.

3) These interim provisions of the peace process
should lead to the formation of a pluralist and bi-national Civil
Society in the land of Palestine, with a united Jerusalem based
upon the dissolution of the State of Israel.
The return of Palestinians to their historic origins shall
be a right according to the civil constitution formed by a
Constitutional Assembly of all nations inhabiting Palestine.
Such a Constitutional Assembly would receive representation
by all nationalities to formulate a federation of autonomous
national-cultural communities who govern only themselves and
not the others. All rights will exist in reciprocity respecting land
rights, water rights, subterranean resources, air passage,
immigration, water routes, environmental controls, militarization,
federated affiliations, alliances, international representation &
etc. It should be noted that citizenship rights are governed by
each autonomous nation while respecting the United Nations
codes of human rights. Personal religious affiliation becomes
a personal choice within each nationality itself.
Recuperation or compensation for familial properties
of pre-1948 Palestine shall be established by treaty.
4) We insist upon the establishment of a nuclear free
zone throughout the region so that no country possesses or
prepares nuclear, biological or chemical weapons of mass
destruction. Transport of materiel used in the production of
such devices shall be forbidden by all countries.

5) We furthermore call for an end to economic and
political sanctions against Iraq, Iran and the Libyan Jamaihiriya;
except for military arms sales restrictions that are equally
applied to all other key countries in the region.

6) There must be an end to the misguided policy
known as "dual-containment", designed to continue
Western/US-led policies of "divide and rule" which encourage
the development of competing blocks along with continuing
regional arms escalation.

7) We recognize Pan-Arabism as the functional
basis of the Arab autonomous societies, thus rejecting private
and external economic enterprises' interventions on the
economic and political plane. The Palestinian Arab People and
Palestine form an integral unit in the Pan-Arab Nation.
The world context situates the Arab Nation not only among
the Third World's peoples but also amongst the nationalities that
exist within the industrially developed countries as well.
8) The J PLO seeks to liberate the individual civil
and collective rights of Jewish People in the context of the
various societies where we reside. Our collective rights include
provisions for national-cultural autonomy in particular and auto-
determination in general. It must be recognized that anti-Jewish
anti-Semitism cannot be tolerated and refugee rights must be
respected irrespective of the presence of the Zionist State.
9) Full voting and political rights must be accorded
to all Jewish nationals throughout the world in their
representation to the Jewish Congress of their society, as well
as the World Jewish Congress, irrespective of any possible
Zionist or religious affiliation.
10) Recognizing the tendency of privately-owned
competitive economies to corrupt various State structures in the
interests of fascism and in opposition to Civil Society, and
acknowledging the tendency for the revolutionary process to
degenerate into Statism; the J PLO seeks to further the
development of the historic dynamic of Socialist Permanent
Revolution.
Freiheit mit schitvis
10/ 03 / 1998 ACE
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Corresponding address:
J PLO - OLP J
Abraham Weizfeld
organizer : J PLO
and Moderator of
SaaLaHa Reconciliation Conference LIST ¸
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Citations:
* As formulated by Israel Zangwill (1864 - 1926)
** Nabil Shaath, L'autodétermination et l'état democratique de Palestine, p. 211-218,
Palestine: Actes du colloque Palestine (Bruxelles, 13-15 mai 1976),
Douclot - S.N.E.D., Belgique, 1977, ISBN 2-8011-0114-1 pages 213
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Note:
J PLO declaration published in
THE END OF ZIONISM
and the liberation of the Jewish People,
Clarity Press, Atlanta, Georgia, 1990,
Appendix C, p. 106 -111,
ISBN: 0-932863-08-6, DS149.E63 1990
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SABRA & SHATILA
Jerusalem International Publishing House
by Abraham Weizfeld
Ottawa, 1984
Bases of Nation, Society and State:
the reconciliation of Palestinian and Jewish Peoplehood
doctoral thesis by
Abraham Yecheskel Weizfeld Goldseider
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Okay, that's really long and I don't feel like reading the whole thing. I assume I will get a private message if there's anything objectionable in it.
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Yeah, it was pretty long, and could have used some editing, but from what I read (about the first third), there wasn't anything objectionable.

It seemed to be a call for rejecting a form of European nationalism (Zionism), and for the Arabs and Jews living in Palestine to unite and live together as Semitic brothers and sisters. That idea is OK with me.


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I also read only about the first third.

I would have preferred to see it expressed in purely political rather than ethno-religious terms, although I think that a fair translation between the two can be done.

It seemed to me to be arguing that Zionism is not only a European but also a "Christianized" view of the Middle East. Well: why quibble? There's a certain poetic truth in that perception, although I doubt that that is going to inspire any very progressive politics.

However, there is an argument there for more progressive politics, for a socialist rejection of the European capitalist project of Zionism. There is, eg, a lament for the loss of the vision of leading Jewish socialists to the Holocaust, and then for the minimization of that vision ever since in the national mythology of Israel.

Forgive my overgeneralizations there. I don't mean to sound brutal. I was just looking for the deep structures, and I don't find them offensive.


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Well, this is inefficient; everybody read the first third.

Perhaps instead we should have assigned sections, like a study group.

Handles beginning with A-F, first third, G-N second third, O-Z last third. We all meet back in a week and report.

Or, instead of that, we could put aside the question of whether it is objectionable or not and focus on the fact that it is an oversized unreadable mass of verbige. Bleech! The Revolution will have a better copyeditor.


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Congratulations to the readers..

this is the return of the Jewish Bundist movement that was suppressed not only by the Nazi Holocaust (Churbun), not only by the Stalinist assasinations of Erlich and Alder (the Bund spokespersons), but also the Zionist collaboration with the Eichmann-led Project Reinhart to erradicate the European Jewish population while leaving its Zionist members intact.

Vive the Jewish Bund and down with Zionism


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