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DrConway
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posted 02 September 2005 01:40 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Read 'em at your leisure.

Get a load of the name on first page of the first PDF.


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Cougyr
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posted 02 September 2005 01:53 AM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Interesting. When you look at this stuff, you have to wonder why it was ever classified in the first place. Now, I haven't read it all, but what I have seen is so mondane as to be boring.
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DrConway
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posted 02 September 2005 02:18 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What I found interesting was that the colonial governor of Iraq had some rather pragmatic things to say about the Khomeini regime which contrasted sharply with the bellicose rhetoric that flowed from the US in Reagan's time.
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Cueball
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posted 03 September 2005 08:41 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Wouldn't Bremmer have been working for Carter?
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miles
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posted 05 September 2005 07:47 PM      Profile for miles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Cueball you are correct that not only would Paul have been working for President Carter but would have reported directly to Warren Christopher.

You think their could be 2 Paul Bremmer's?


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DrConway
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posted 05 September 2005 11:09 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Two L. Paul Bremer the thirds? I don't think so.
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Wilf Day
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posted 09 September 2005 09:23 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
On the uncertain topic "Is Iran part of the Middle East," here's another contribution. This American-oriented but quite literate site for teachers calls Iran part of Central Asia, not the Middle East. Given that the Iranians are not Arabs, ethnically and linguistically they are no more part of the Middle East than Pakistan is, although both are part of the Islamic world and, being close neighbours of the Middle East, are surely not indifferent to what happens there.
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cco
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posted 09 September 2005 11:33 AM      Profile for cco     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Wikipedia confirms it's the same guy.
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Cueball
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posted 09 September 2005 01:04 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
On the uncertain topic "Is Iran part of the Middle East," here's another contribution. This American-oriented but quite literate site for teachers calls Iran part of Central Asia, not the Middle East. Given that the Iranians are not Arabs, ethnically and linguistically they are no more part of the Middle East than Pakistan is, although both are part of the Islamic world and, being close neighbours of the Middle East, are surely not indifferent to what happens there.

Surely you are not asserting that Arabness defines Middle Easterness?

Morrocco and Algeria part of the Middle East?

Iran historically Persia, has always been more socially, and economically tide to the Arab world than the India Afghanistan and Baluchistan, and shares a much more history and culture with the Arab world. With the assent Islam, Arabic words made a major appearance in farsi. A similar distinction could be made about Turkey, simply base on an ethnicity, but then where is Turkey? Europe?

Obviously Turkey has far more in common with the Arab world than Europe, though cross referencing of culture is diverse.

A regional definition based in ethnic parameters, of the kind where Arabness defines "Middle Easterness" seems even more casual and possibly latently political.

If we are really saying Arabness defines "Middle Easterness" should we not really be calling it the "Arab World." It seems more accurate and truthful. It seems that calling it such precludes the existance of Israel, and perhaps that was the point, as the term Middle East became popular as a replacement for "the near east," "the orient" and the "Arab world," as cartographic distinction.


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yoppa
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posted 09 September 2005 01:19 PM      Profile for yoppa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
iran is east of the middle. yes. no. middle of the east. which includes all our dominions east of the east. but we've got lots more east of it. like central asia and east asia. if we just had a little bit east of iran, then it would be part of the far east but the far east is all our so, its just in the middle kuz we got even more west of it which is still east of us. we got wholde fuckin huge lot a shit east its all fuckin ours man! fuckin ours! its middle. period. shut up.
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Cueball
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posted 09 September 2005 01:20 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Precisely.
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Cougyr
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posted 09 September 2005 01:21 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I thought that "Middle East" was a purely geographic term refering to wht used to be called the Levant.
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