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josh
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posted 01 September 2005 10:03 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Four Arab Israelis shot dead by a soldier opposed to the closure of the Gaza Strip settlements are not victims of "terror" because their killer was Jewish, Israel's defence ministry has ruled, and so their families are not entitled to the usual compensation for life.

The ministry concluded that the law only recognises terrorism as committed by "organisations hostile to Israel" even though the prime minister, Ariel Sharon, described the killings by Private Eden Nathan Zaada, 19, as "a despicable act by a bloodthirsty terrorist."

. . . .

He shot dead four people on a bus in the Arab Israeli town of Shfaram on August 4 and was then lynched by a mob.
Arab Israeli leaders have condemned the decision. Mohammed Barakeh, an Arab member of the Israeli parliament who lives in Shfaram, said: "The decision raises a strong scent of racism, which distinguishes between a Jewish terrorist and an Arab terrorist."

The defence ministry proposes to pay the families of the Shfaram victims an undisclosed lump sum instead of a lifelong monthly amount.

But Mr Barakeh says that denies the dead their recognition as victims of terrorism. He noted that Arabs who had committed individual attacks but were not members of armed organisations had still been branded by the Israeli government as terrorists.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1560147,00.html


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Michelle
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posted 01 September 2005 04:43 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Admit it. You started this thread just for the thread title game.
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skdadl
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posted 01 September 2005 04:45 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yeah. josh: you made me look.
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rsfarrell
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posted 01 September 2005 11:35 PM      Profile for rsfarrell        Edit/Delete Post
Some background on the decision:

quote:
The committee's decision was based on a legal interpretation of the law that grants the status of terror victims, for the purpose of compensation, only to Israeli citizens killed or wounded by "a member of an organization hostile to Israel." According to this interpretation, the organization must specifically be hostile "to the existence of the state." The legislator never considered the possibility that a lone Jew, or a member of a right-wing extremist group, would be involved in acts of terror against Israeli citizens. The attacks in Shfaram and in Shiloh, which were intended to thwart the disengagement, the massacre in the Hebron mosque, which was meant to sabotage the Oslo Accords, the murders of prime minister Yitzhak Rabin and peace activist Emil Grunzweig all indicate that terror is not the exclusive province of Arabs who seek to undermine Israel's existence. But despite this, in 1994, the Knesset rejected a proposed amendment to the Victims of Enemy Action Law that would have made the law apply to any victim of nationalist violence.

So it's not a letter-of-the-law thing; they've thought about it. The considered decision of the state of Israel is that victims of Jewish terror are not the same as victims of Palestinian terror.

It is of course true that, as Haaretz puts it: "A state that has declared an all-out war on terrorism, regardless of nationality or motive, is obligated to compensate its victims regardless of nationality or motive." But of course, there is no war on terror in Israel -- just a war on the natives.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/620196.html


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venus_man
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posted 02 September 2005 12:33 AM      Profile for venus_man        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by rsfarrell:
But of course, there is no war on terror in Israel -- just a war on the natives.


While not denying the antiquity of the Palestine, that's what i came across.

From Wicipedia:

“The Kingdom of Israel (Hebrew: מַלְכוּת יִשְׂרָאֵל, Standard Hebrew Malḫut Yisraʼel, Tiberian Hebrew Malḵûṯ Yiśrāʼēl) was the Kingdom proclaimed by the Israelite nation around 1050 BC.
The nation itself was formed as the Israelites left the Land of Goshen, Egypt during the Exodus at an uncertain date, often considered to be in the late 13th century BC.”

Judea or Judaea
“The area was the site of the ancient Kingdom of Judah and the later Kingdom of Judea, a client-kingdom of the Roman Empire. The name Judea is a Greek and Roman adaptation of the name Judah and was originally applied to the whole of historic Palestine, but by the time of the New Testament it had been limited in scope to the south of the region.”

“The Land of Israel (Hebrew: ארץ ישראל Eretz Yisrael) is the land that made up the ancient Jewish Kingdoms of Israel and Judah. The term has been used by Jews and Christians throughout history.”

Hebrews (syns. Heberites, Eberites, Hebreians, descendants of biblical Patriarch Eber; עברים, Standard Hebrew ʿIvrim, Tiberian Hebrew ʿIḇrîm; also עבריים Standard Hebrew ʿIvriyyim, Tiberian Hebrew ʿIḇriyyîm) were people who lived in the Levant (the area now forms the geographical region of Palestine, Sinai, and the coastal portions of Syria), which was politically Canaan when they first arrived in the area. The Hebrews lived within this region in the 2nd millennium BCE and spoke a Canaanite dialect.

Interesting.


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Cueball
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posted 02 September 2005 12:38 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That explains why that guy shot those people on the bus.
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rsfarrell
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posted 06 September 2005 01:08 PM      Profile for rsfarrell        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Haifa court jails would-be Jewish terrorist for four years

By David Ratner, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz Service

Haifa District Court on Tuesday sentenced local resident Alexander Rabinovitch to four years in jail for planning and trying to carry out terror attacks on Israeli Arabs.

Rabinovitch, 22, of Haifa, was found guilty in May of offenses which included conspiring to assassinate Arab MK Issam Makhoul (Hadash-Ta'al) and illegally procuring and producing weapons.

His alleged accomplice and childhood friend, Eliran Golan, is currently on trial for planting eight bombs aimed at killing and maiming Israeli Arabs.


And if history is any guide, he won't serve half of it. Needless to say, Palestinians caught trying to kill Jews get 20+ years to life, automatically.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/621780.html

PS: If anyone wonders what he will do when he gets out:

quote:
The other charges against Golan involve activities mostly directed against mixed Jewish-Arab families and Jewish women who were having relations with Arab men.[Ibid.]

See you in four years!


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venus_man
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posted 06 September 2005 03:19 PM      Profile for venus_man        Edit/Delete Post
Something positive for a change:

• Israel conducts nearly 300 courses annually for emerging nations and has trained almost 200,000 participants – in
over 130 countries from Albania to Zimbabwe – in desert agriculture, water management, desertification
prevention, early childhood education, community development, emergency and disaster medicine,refugee
absorption,and employment programs.

•Israel’s Save a Child’s Heart (SACH),is the largest program in the world for children from poor nations who need
heart surgery and follow-up care. At no charge to its patients,SACH has treated over 700 children from the Congo,
to China, the Palestinian Authority and Nigeria. Just recently SACH released five Iraqi children from hospital following surgery.

•In the year 2000 alone, Israel helped build hospitals in areas as diverse as Mauritania,Gaza,the Ukraine,and Turkey.

• The Galillee College located in Kiryat Tivon will be holding several training programs September 8 –26, 2005 for over 40 participants arriving from Africa.
The participants will study about Small Businesses & Industries, Urban Economic Development, Management of Public Transport, Crop Production and Management, and Agricultural Business Development.
Participants will be arriving from all parts of the African continent countries such as Ghana, Kenya, Liberia, Malawi, Nigeria, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia, South Africa and Zimbabwe

Etc. etc.

• “Israel has proved that for fifty years its real power is in its democracy,guarding the rights of its citizens,applying laws [equally] to the rich and poor,the big and small….”Columnist Dr.Talal Al-Shareef,Palestinian newspaper
Al-Quds,

•“I envy them [Israelis and their democracy]…I respect the democratic discussion,debate,the sovereignty of law,
and the freedom of the press…”Columnist Ata Al-Qemari,in Palestinian newspaper Al-Ayyam

Yes, Israel is a democracy, and it is not a terrorist state. There are off course terrorists among Israelis, but then again, they are all over. My view-get rid of all terrorists, extremists, religious fanatics, provocateurs and militants and life would taste much sweeter.

[ 06 September 2005: Message edited by: venus_man ]


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Michelle
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posted 06 September 2005 03:34 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What does that have to do with the topic of this thread, which is that there is apparently no official recognition of terrorist acts committed by Israelis as terrorist in nature, and therefore the victims do not get compensation?

Start a new thread if you want to discuss an entirely different topic, venus_man.


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Cueball
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posted 06 September 2005 03:38 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
No it is not a democracy. One might as well say that England under Elizabeth was a "Democracy," given that some people were given a right to elect a body invested with the power to advice the state. The reality is that Israel specifically excludes a population of 3 million people, whom it has authority over from even the basic right of equal citizenship, and has done so for nearly 40 years, instead inflicting marshall law upon those people.

It even taxes those people, so that they must pay for the instrument of their own repression.

Any modern, and coherent, definition of "democracy" is based on the principle of equality of persons. This is not the case with Israel.


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Cueball
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posted 06 September 2005 03:42 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
What does that have to do with the topic of this thread, which is that there is apparently no official recognition of terrorist acts committed by Israelis as terrorist in nature, and therefore the victims do not get compensation?

Start a new thread if you want to discuss an entirely different topic, venus_man.


Sharon has again reiterated his intention to ammend the law in question, so that it applies to victims of what he calls "Jewish terrorism," in support of the Arab ciizens of Israel, of course those Arabs living under Israeli rule whom are not citizens, will continue to be left in the lurch, as it is the IDF is the main perptrator of violent acts against those people.


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venus_man
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posted 06 September 2005 03:42 PM      Profile for venus_man        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Michelle:

Start a new thread if you want to discuss an entirely different topic, venus_man.

I thought of that…I will do next time.


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Michelle
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posted 06 September 2005 03:44 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Cueball: Huh? I was telling that to venus_man.

venus_man: Thanks.


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Cueball
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posted 06 September 2005 03:47 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I was returning to the topic. Your post was about being topical. See.
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Blind_Patriot
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posted 07 September 2005 01:31 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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The ministry concluded that the law only recognises terrorism as committed by "organisations hostile to Israel"
Translation...


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