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Hephaestion
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posted 02 August 2005 08:14 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
queerday reports:

Crown Prince of Qatar outed after brawl at London gay club

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Three Qatari's including the 25-year-old Crown Prince of Qatar Tameem Bin Hamad Al-Thani were involved in drunken and disorderly behavior resulting in their being banned from a popular London gay nightclub for thirty days. The news spread and he was outed as a result by the Aljazeera network.

The Prince, who was educated in the UK and spends most of his summers in London, was involved was involved in a fight with local youths. “Prince Tameem and his partner were not charged, however, they will be banned from visiting this club for 30 days," authorities said.


Al Jazeera report

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Scholars of Islamonline.net condemned the actions quoting religious text:

"Almighty Allah has prohibited illegal sexual intercourse and homosexuality and all means that lead to either of them. Moreover, Islam emphatically forbids this deed [homosexual sex] and prescribes a severe punishment for it in this world and the next. How could it be otherwise, when the Prophet of Islam (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Whoever you find committing the sin of the people of Lut, kill them, both the one who does it and the one to whom it is done." (At-Tirmidhi: 1376)

The eminent Qatari based scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi also quoted:

"The scholars of Islam, such as Malik, Ash-Shafi`i, Ahmad and Ishaaq said that (the person guilty of this crime) should be stoned, whether he is married or unmarried.”


Wonder if there's more risk to a Crown Prince than a couple of young kids?


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lagatta
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posted 02 August 2005 08:39 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh dear. The prince's problem is getting caught and outed... You know very well that there has always been a great tradition of male and female homosexuality - and erotic literature - in Arabo-Muslim culture, as men and women live such separate lives except in the family sphere. Think of those lovely hamams.

But it has always been tacit, known, but not publicly displayed.

Not that I have any great sympathy for the idle rich, but I do hope the young prince is safe.


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Papal Bull
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posted 02 August 2005 08:53 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Islam, until fairly recent times, was pretty good with homosexuality. IIRC it was only following the Crusades that the now militant society began to mimick the nastier parts of European culture and such practises that were in Europe concerning gays and lesbians began to seep into the Middle East.

I'll learn more about this next year...So don't quote me now


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Cueball
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posted 02 August 2005 08:56 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, I have heard people make the case that a lot of homophobic ideas are european imports to the mid-east.
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jeff house
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posted 02 August 2005 10:30 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Except that the Old and New Testaments are not gay-positive, exactly, and are "revered" by Islam.

Those Testaments certainly have a non-European origin.


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Cueball
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posted 02 August 2005 10:31 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Whatever. As if to give credibility to the idea that all ideology is textually sourced, and cultural norms and politics have nothing to do with it. The bible is very explict about "thou shalt not kill," but that seems pretty irrelevant to Christianities application.

One would assume that if the explicit meaning of a religious text can be circumnavigated, or intepreted to allow for negative ends, then it should also be true that they can be circumnavigated, or intepreted toward a positive outcome.

Its not even clear, for instance, that Islam was the majority religion, except among the elite, in the Middle East until after 1200 AD.

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