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lagatta
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posted 13 July 2005 08:27 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This is horrible: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4678207.stm

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PitaPlatter
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posted 13 July 2005 08:55 PM      Profile for PitaPlatter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What a world, such Monsters.
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posted 13 July 2005 09:00 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Horrifying.
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posted 13 July 2005 09:14 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by PitaPlatter:
What a world, such Monsters.

Yeah I have no idea why they wanted to go in there. At least the country wasn't rampant with wanton murder 2 years ago.


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posted 13 July 2005 09:22 PM      Profile for PitaPlatter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Other than for Saddam's Killing Fields his torture chambers etc. a real Garden Spot eh.
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posted 13 July 2005 09:28 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The people in the "killing fields," the ones whom the US has seen so fit to liberate are largely in fact Islamic revolutionaries of one kind or anopther -- more or less the very same ones whom are blowing themselves up right now. Good luck with the brain malfunction dude.

And actually killing fields is not a very good description of the manner of functioning of Saddam's fascist police state. But who cares about details like that when one desires to put oneself in charge of the slaughter, even though the previous adminstrators of terror were far more efficient and accurate than the present ones, whose bumbling makes Saddam's Mukabarat look like very clever folks indeed.

I have never understood why folks like you insist that killing Arab radicals should be the private domain of Israel and the USA at the exclusion of others.

[ 13 July 2005: Message edited by: Cueball ]


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posted 13 July 2005 09:35 PM      Profile for PitaPlatter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
God forbid we should actually place blame where it is due eh Cueball, say on the Murder Bombers. Your statement appears to condone this horrific act in order to justify your Anti-American zealotry. The Murder Bombers cannot be dignified as revolutionaries of any stripe.
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posted 13 July 2005 09:37 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
And you can not be described as even being vaguley intelligent if that is what you think Iw as saying. Why don't you get someone to read over what I just said, and get them to explain it to you. I don't have time.

[ 13 July 2005: Message edited by: Cueball ]


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posted 13 July 2005 09:42 PM      Profile for PitaPlatter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Have a drink on me Cueball.
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posted 13 July 2005 09:44 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post
Go away again, and then come back, Ok?
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posted 13 July 2005 09:58 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What the hell is a "murder bomber"? Is that as opposed to a "hearts and flowers bomber"?
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posted 13 July 2005 10:02 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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What the hell is a "murder bomber"?

Just a code phrase -- demonstrates your moral superiority to those who would excuse them by calling them "suicide bombers."


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PitaPlatter
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posted 13 July 2005 10:06 PM      Profile for PitaPlatter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Islamic Revolutionaries referred to by an earlier poster are in fact Murder Bombers. Any attempt to equate these Monsters with the USA is sophistry.

[ 13 July 2005: Message edited by: PitaPlatter ]


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posted 13 July 2005 10:08 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post
No it isn't.
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Nikita
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posted 13 July 2005 10:10 PM      Profile for Nikita     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm confused by this argument, obviously I'm missing some important context.

What horrifies me and saddens me is 24 children are dead. It just breaks my heart.


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posted 13 July 2005 10:16 PM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Those guys are pretty puny murder bombers. The big bad murder bombers are dropping gigantic bombs from planes.

Murder bombers, that is a good term. I will start using it. Thanks!


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posted 13 July 2005 10:17 PM      Profile for PitaPlatter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You are absolutely right Nikita this is not the forum. The loss of these innocent lives is the deepest of tragedies.
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posted 13 July 2005 10:22 PM      Profile for PitaPlatter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Melsky, Hinterland this will be interesting reading for you both given your take on things, it's a long piece but well worth reading, Michael Medved Discussion
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posted 13 July 2005 10:22 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post
I use "murder bombers" for the US Marines. Suicide bombers are when...you know, the bomber commits suicide in the process. Seems logical.
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posted 13 July 2005 10:24 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by PitaPlatter:
Melsky, Hinterland this will be interesting reading for you both given your take on things, it's a long piece but well worth reading, Michael Medved Discussion

Right. Pita. I'll read something from Michael Medved on David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.

Hold your breath until I do.


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Nikita
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posted 13 July 2005 10:24 PM      Profile for Nikita     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm not taking sides and I'm not dismissing the argument. This might be the best forum to discuss...whatever you guys were discussing.

I guess I'm frustrated because honestly, who bombs children? Who kills little kids? I guess the obivous answer is that if someone is going to do a suicide bombing then they have no respect for life at all.

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posted 13 July 2005 10:24 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
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Have a drink on me Cueball.

Thanks, I'll send you a PM as to the PO Box you can send the the cheque too. After reading your posts, it will have to be a double.


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posted 13 July 2005 10:30 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Nikita:
I'm not taking sides and I'm not dismissing the argument. This might be the best forum to discuss...whatever you guys were discussing.

I guess I'm frustrated because honestly, who bombs children? Who kills little kids? I guess the obivous answer is that if someone is going to do a suicide bombing then they have no respect for life at all.

[ 13 July 2005: Message edited by: Nikita ]



Lots of people kill kids. Most of these bombings go off in areas frequented by police and or army personel. The rest is collateral damage. Who uses that phrase again. Oh yeah, it is commonly used by the US army when they they discover that children and other civilians live in cities as well as thier presumed targets.

"Oh well! Goofed up again guys." You have to wonder why the CPA stopped Iraqi hospitals from doing civilian body counts.


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Nikita
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posted 13 July 2005 10:33 PM      Profile for Nikita     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Good point.
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posted 13 July 2005 10:36 PM      Profile for PitaPlatter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hinterland we all need to listen to opposing viewpoints, how else will we learn. It is a fascinating piece and you should not dismiss it so readily. In spite of your personal feelings toward them, both Medved and Horowitz know of what they speak.
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posted 13 July 2005 10:38 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post
No, they do not. Both are raving hysterics, although Medved at least demonstrates a certain self-awareness. They have nothing whatsoever to teach me.
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posted 13 July 2005 10:42 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm sorry I started this topic. I was thinking of the Iraqi kids who just wanted a bit of enjoyment in their dismal young lives.

I guess it has something to do with the heatwave. I was making lebna (strained yoghourt) from goat yoghourt I had made, and had to be careful to cover the strainer with another to keep out flies, in the heat. I wish there were some kind of strainer to keep out trolls referring to a shithead like Horowitz - the guy who put pressure on a University press to censure a book by Finkelstein - when I was thinking of the unfortunate Iraqi kids caught in the crossfire of imperialism and not-always-progressive resistance.


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posted 13 July 2005 10:46 PM      Profile for PitaPlatter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sounds like that yogurt has been a little over-fermented in the heat I'd say.
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posted 13 July 2005 10:51 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
I'm sorry I started this topic. I was thinking of the Iraqi kids who just wanted a bit of enjoyment in their dismal young lives.

I guess it has something to do with the heatwave. I was making lebna (strained yoghourt) from goat yoghourt I had made, and had to be careful to cover the strainer with another to keep out flies, in the heat. I wish there were some kind of strainer to keep out trolls referring to a shithead like Horowitz - the guy who put pressure on a University press to censure a book by Finkelstein - when I was thinking of the unfortunate Iraqi kids caught in the crossfire of imperialism and not-always-progressive resistance.


No its good for you to bring this up. I am becoming so used to the daily slaughter that I am begining to forget that it is going on. What a tragedy, from a to z.


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posted 13 July 2005 10:56 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
As for the yoghourt, I made it early in the morning, and it is delicious. From my time living in Italy, I've learnt to get up at 5 am to do housework in the summer heat, quitte à faire une sieste plus tard.

I was horrified by this story, but of course far more Iraqi kids are killed by "Allied" cluster bombs. I was horrified because of how little press it will get relative to the London bombings.


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posted 13 July 2005 10:57 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That is of course the most excruciatingly painful part. Its good that Al Jazeera is out there, bringing this kind of thing home to people. But wait... aren't they banned from reporting in Iraq now?
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The attrocities in Iraq don't get nearly enough press time. It's a sickening war, there are no grounds for it and yet it continues. So, thanks lagatta for bringing it up, I probably wouldn't have heard about it otherwise.
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posted 13 July 2005 11:21 PM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
sounds kind of flippant to me .... sorry if I'm wrong
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posted 13 July 2005 11:22 PM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
... it is after all about:
quote:
What horrifies me and saddens me is 24 children are dead. It just breaks my heart.

Mine too....


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posted 13 July 2005 11:41 PM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
sorry double post

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posted 14 July 2005 10:15 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This story is getting good coverage in the media. Soon we will be enveiged upon for not condemning, out of hand the entire, Iraqi resitance, given that they are each and everyone of them bloodthirsty murdere's who "only kill kids." And it will seem this way, surely, as the great majority of stories where the resistance clearly targets military personel and police do not generally even make a blip on the media radar screen.
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posted 14 July 2005 11:09 PM      Profile for Webgear     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Cueball

What an sad event.

"as the great majority of stories where the resistance clearly targets military personel and police do not generally even make a blip on the media radar screen."

Here is where I get a lot of my information on daily attacks from. It also covers Afghanistan. Has media sources from several different places listed.

Media Reports on the War On Terror


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posted 14 July 2005 11:16 PM      Profile for Nikita     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by VanLuke:
sounds kind of flippant to me .... sorry if I'm wrong

Me? No, no that isn't how I meant it at all! I am not especially eloquent when I'm really upset, well this story really saddens me. Damn, I hope I didn't offend lagatta too.


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posted 14 July 2005 11:20 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Webgear:
Cueball

What an sad event.

"as the great majority of stories where the resistance clearly targets military personel and police do not generally even make a blip on the media radar screen."

Here is where I get a lot of my information on daily attacks from. It also covers Afghanistan. Has media sources from several different places listed.

Media Reports on the War On Terror


That is a good resource thanks, but I was talking about the general media presentation, and its tendency to play up stories with high "human interestt" value such as the killing of children, and those which don't like the killing of soldiers.

And that site is only about "ours" not "theirs."

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Cueball

If you look at the news area, there are media reports for Iraq War.

There are more media reports in the OEF site, that is where I do alot of research.

OEF News


Here is a list of Iraqi Police and Soldiers killed. I notice that they get less coverage than Iraqi civillians that get killed.

Iraqi Police and Soldiers Deaths

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I saw some pretty heart breaking footage of a group of Iraqi (puppet) soldiers just prior to their execution. I have always found the moral distinction between civilian casualties and military casualties fairly academic.
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