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Hephaestion
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posted 08 December 2004 01:12 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Never let it be said that I don't give Israelis their due when they do the right thing...

For the second time in a month, an Israeli court has ruled to uphold the family rights of gay people. A Family Court in Tel Aviv declared that two gay men are a de facto family in the eyes of the law. The men have been together for 19 years and in 2001 they joined with a female friend to have a baby.

In upholding the legality of that contract, along with last month¹s ruling that members of a gay couple are covered under inheritance laws, legal scholars say the courts have all but created common-law marriage for gay people in Israel even though last year parliament failed to pass a bill giving common-law relationships legal status.

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DrConway
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posted 08 December 2004 01:19 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, in that respect it's just like Canada. Government's too timid so they let the courts do all the hard work of laying the legal foundation, and then just for the sheer irony, trash the judges for being "too activist".
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Macabee
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posted 08 December 2004 02:37 PM      Profile for Macabee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Interesting story Heph. Thanks for your usual Doc.
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Well, but "de facto family" isn't going to mean marriage, not under current Israeli marriage laws for hetero couples, anyway. Isn't it true that the only legal marriage ceremony in Israel is an Orthodox Jewish ceremony?

(I believe that civil marriages performed elsewhere are also recognized to be legal.)


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Macabee
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posted 08 December 2004 03:27 PM      Profile for Macabee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Well, but "de facto family" isn't going to mean marriage, not under current Israeli marriage laws for hetero couples, anyway. Isn't it true that the only legal marriage ceremony in Israel is an Orthodox Jewish ceremony?

(I believe that civil marriages performed elsewhere are also recognized to be legal.)



It is a religious ceremony that can be performed I believe by any stream of Judaism.

Skdadl I hope uyou will agree that at least the Israeli court is far more progressive on this issue than virtually any other country in the Middle East, Asia and probably Africa as well.


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Reality. Bites.
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posted 08 December 2004 03:29 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
That's correct, sldadl, according to this article.

http://tinyurl.com/5xr2c

20% of Israeli couples reportedly choose to be married civilly, usually in Cyprus.

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DrConway
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posted 08 December 2004 06:12 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Macabee:
Interesting story Heph. Thanks for your usual Doc.

That wasn't necessary. I was smartassily remarking that the Canadian courts get stuck with the task of drawing all the heat from the right-wing idiots that think the missionary position is the only position and that women and men should be the only ones getting married, and that all "queers" should hide in closets in perpetuity.

Then the government can just sally along, and claim it has no choice because the courts already paved the way.

It gives us the same results we want, but it's an incredibly cowardly way for the politicians to get this done.


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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 08 December 2004 07:11 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Of course. We can't really expect Mr. " I'm so macho" Sharon to openly support gay marriage can you?
this is a positive step. Now all we have to do is get Israel to stop treating it's Arab population like Shit, make the Israeli Defense Forces withdraw from the territories and convince the Israeli government that is probably an extremely good idea to write a Constitution, and I'll be happy.

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al-Qa'bong
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posted 08 December 2004 11:01 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Have you heard the Bulgarian account of Sharon's extensive clandestine collection of feminine apparel?
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Hephaestion
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posted 09 December 2004 12:31 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
Have you heard the Bulgarian account of Sharon's extensive clandestine collection of feminine apparel?

No proof (or dis-proof) of his sexual orientation, though.


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Macabee
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posted 09 December 2004 11:35 AM      Profile for Macabee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
Have you heard the Bulgarian account of Sharon's extensive clandestine collection of feminine apparel?

No but Im sure you have

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Macabee
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posted 09 December 2004 11:36 AM      Profile for Macabee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:

No proof (or dis-proof) of his sexual orientation, though.


Does his sexual orientation really matter?

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posted 09 December 2004 03:35 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Nope. Gay or straight, he will always be a psychotic ass wipe.
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Hephaestion
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posted 15 March 2006 05:39 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Meretz endorses equal marriage

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The leader of the left of center party Meretz has given Israel's gay community his pledge he will support legislation to allow same-sex couples to marry.

Party chair Yossi Beilin made the promise during a meeting with other members of the party and Tel Aviv's gays.

Beilin said that civil marriage must include gay and lesbian couples and as the party heads into the final campaign swing for this month's election it has unveiled stickers which say: "the voice of groom and groom," and "the voice of bride and bride," alluding to the Jewish marriage song, as part of their campaign.

Beilin also had some harsh words for the Labor party for not addressing the gay-lesbian community. 

"It is shameful that Labor, which had stated it will support the gay community, disregards it in its platform," Beilin said.

Also at the meeting was Knesset Member Yael Dayan who defected from Labor to Meretz. She said that when she left the Labor Party she was told to take the gays with her.

Meretz has long been a supporter of LGBT rights in Israel. In 2002 Uzi Even became the first openly gay party member to serve in the Knesset. A university professor he served one term. In 2004 he married his longtime partner in Canada and returned to Israel to fight for marriage equality.


And, in an effort at thread consolidation, I provide links to the following:

Jerusalem's Orthodox mayor calls Pride Parade "deviant", a "provocation"

and this one,

Israeli couples to use Cdn wedding to force SSM issue at home

... as in Australia, we will outlast the dinosaurs. We *will* succeed, and we will remember those who helped us. And those who turned their backs on us. Like "Labour", who bring dishonour to the name.

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Hephaestion
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posted 06 April 2006 03:01 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Israel's supreme court to hear equal marriage case

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The Supreme Court of Israel announced Wednesday that it will hear an appeal by five same-sex couples married in Canada who want those marriages recognized at home. Oral arguments in the case will be heard May 28th.

In a rare move the court said the case will be heard by seven justices. Usually only three justices hear arguments in cases brought before the high court.

A decision could take months or possibly more than a year, Onn Stock, one of the lawyers involved in the case told 365Gay.com.

"Of course we hope it will not take too long for the decision, but regardless of the time period, we hope for a successful outcome," Stock said.

[...]

"Israeli straight couples who marry overseas have their marriages recognized by the Ministry of the Interior regardless of whether they are able or not to marry each other in Israel," Stock told 365Gay.com. He noted that certain types of marriages are impossible to perform in Israel due to the fact that marriage law in Israel is determined by Jewish law. Often opposite-sex couples unable to marry in Israel have weddings abroad and then have them registered by the Interior Ministry. Stock also said that he will argue that any distinction between straight and same-sex couples is unconstitutional.

He is representing three of the couples in the case. One of them, Jonathan Herland, 29, and his husband Ayal Wallrouch, 26, were married in a civil ceremony in Toronto last July.

Herland is an attorney who has dual Canadian and Israeli citizenship. He is a graduate of McGill University in Montreal and is a member of the bar in New York State and in Israel. He practices law in Tel Aviv. Wallrouch is a life-sciences student and is employed at the Israeli Standards Institute. The couple has been together for three years.

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