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Cueball
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posted 06 October 2004 05:41 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"Killin in the name of..."

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The 30-second clip shows the pilot targeting the group of people in a street in the city of Fallujah and asking his mission controllers whether he should "take them out". He is told to do so and, shortly afterwards, the footage shows a huge explosion where the people were. A second voice can be heard on the clip saying: "Oh, dude."

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Cueball
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posted 06 October 2004 05:47 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Suicide of an Iraq War Veteran

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He spoke of how he had been ordered to shoot two Iraqi prisoners. He remembered how he had looked into their eyes and hesitated, watching as they shook in terror, and thinking of their families. He remembered that an officer had shouted, "Pull the fucking trigger, Lucey!" He remembered shooting the soldiers and watching them die. He told his father that there were "other things" he did not want the family to know about.


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thwap
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posted 06 October 2004 09:03 AM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post
re: the marine's suicide,

That's a damned shame. He sounded like a truly decent individual.

I have difficulty saying "fuck 'em" when it comes to individuals in the US military. It is a highly militarized, propagandized society. [It is a place where drooling lying morons like bush jr. can be installed as president!]

Generally okay people can be persuaded to join the military to 'serve their country' ['the greatest country in the world'] and to try to escape grinding poverty [think about the socialism of the US military/consider the US economy without its massive military but no substitute gov't spending!] They will look at the world (when they look at it at all) through the prism of their absolutely fucking useless newsmedia, and see their country as fair, benevolent, but threatened.

That US mother in Fahrenheit 9-11 was a progressive, humane person, who believed a lot of good things about her country and what military service meant.

But few of these people are genuine monsters. They preserve their humanity, and some, when forced to reconcile what they had believed with what they've done, are put in a very difficult state.

These people aren't "stupid" [one of my favourite words]. They're ordinary people who have been lied to on a massive scale.


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Cueball
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posted 08 October 2004 05:28 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post

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