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WingNut
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posted 14 September 2004 07:15 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Israel's agriculture minister, Israel Katz, has announced plans for further expansion of Jewish settlements in the Jordan valley by expropriating 8,000 acres of land.

Mr Katz's proposal, which he said would be implemented "without unnecessary delays", follows revelations that the government plans to build homes for thousands more settlers on the West Bank, further entrenching its control even while it pulls out of the Gaza Strip.



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WingNut
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posted 14 September 2004 07:17 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Palestinian state?
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Most of the population in the Gaza Strip is refugees living in camps that have one of the highest population densities in the world.

Compared with the world average urban slum incidence, which is 31.6%, the average urban slum incidence in the Palestinian territories is 60.5%, the report stated.


5 million Palestinian refugees


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pogge
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posted 14 September 2004 07:22 PM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I don't think your first link goes where you think it does.

But this might (Guardian).

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WingNut
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posted 14 September 2004 09:27 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thanks.
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posted 15 September 2004 10:58 AM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Road Map is toast, in case you didn't know.

Sharon says he will not follow the road map

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Israel will not follow the U.S.-backed "road map" peace plan and could remain in much of the West Bank for a long time after it withdraws from the Gaza Strip, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said in a newspaper interview published Wednesday.

Sharon's comments were his most detailed yet on his long-term vision for the region. Palestinian officials said the remarks confirmed their fears that Israel plans to draw its own borders and keep a large chunk of the West Bank, rather than negotiate a peace deal with the Palestinians as the road map envisions.

[snip]

In an interview with the Yediot Ahronot newspaper published Wednesday, Sharon said that once Israel withdraws from Gaza and the four West Bank settlements, "it is very possible ... there will be a long period when nothing else happens."

He said that as long as there is no significant shift in the Palestinian leadership and policy, "Israel will continue its war on terrorism, and will stay in the territories (of the West Bank) that will remain after the implementation of disengagement."

[snip]

Sharon said he will abide by his disengagement plan, not the road map.

Asked by Yediot how disengagement differs from proposals by a former Israeli opposition leader, Amram Mitzna, to withdraw from Gaza to break the stalemate with the Palestinians, Sharon said: "Mitzna suggested something different ... to continue dismantling settlements based on the road map.

"This would have brought Israel to a most difficult situation. I didn't agree to this. Today, we are also not following the road map. I am not ready for this," he said.



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WingNut
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posted 15 September 2004 03:44 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
With all due respect, the Road Map was a lie too. It was the creation of a cynical, manipulative regime hoping to silence Palestinians leading up to the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Sharon is merely tossing out something that was designed from the get-go to be disposable.


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posted 15 September 2004 09:05 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yup! The road map had the smell of the bate and switch game that the US and Israel has been playing for the last 35 years.
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posted 17 September 2004 01:04 PM      Profile for Insurrection     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Slight thread drift (maybe?) but an interesting article (or so I thought anyway…)

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Despite non-stop violence against them by Israel's military, Palestinians found some hope this week when the country's official census study showed Palestinians growing twice as fast as Jews.

Published by Israel's leading English language newspaper, Haaretz, the data shows that Israel's population of 6.8 million consists of 5.5 million Jews and 1.3 million Arabs.

Of course, those number do not include the Palestinians living under military occupation in the Gaza Strip and West Bank where Palestinians are killed at a rate three times faster than Israelis.

It does include citizens of East Jerusalem, which Israel illegally annexed and that the international community still considers occupied territory.

These quirks aside, the study indicated that the Jewish population grew by only 1.4 percent in 2003, compared to 3 percent for the Arab population.

Unlikely that Israel will make the concessions necessary to create a viable Palestinian State, the population trend is the only hope left for Palestinians in a land consumed by violence by both sides. Instead of two states, there will be one multi-national state, forcing Israel to become truly Democratic by default.

If you put those numbers to a calculator, and the growth rate remains the same, you can see where the numbers take you. In about 92 years, Israel will become a predominantly Christian and Muslim nation, unless Israel is planning something like expelling non-Jews.

The current growth rate will result in a population of 20,039,759 Jewish Israelis and 20,314,458 Christian and Muslim Israelis, by my calculations.

As a side note, the survey also showed that the Arab-Moslem population increased by 3.3 percent, while the Christian community increased by only 1.2 percent. That's a whole other calculation that just means that the Christian presence in the Holy Land will be even more negligible than it already is.

With these statistics in mind, you can bet the pressure will mount on Israel to expel its Arab citizens. You know. The Christian and Muslim "Arab citizens" Israelis constantly assert have "equal rights" in the "Jewish States."

It seems hard to imagine a time when the birthplace of Jesus might have no Christians, but it could happen.

Even harder to imagine is that a Jewish State built to collect Jews expelled or persecuted mainly from Europe because of growing Christian anti-Semitism, would now start expelling other religious groups.


read the rest here:

Population and the One-State Solution
Ray Hanania: Israel's Demographics

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