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eibie
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posted 24 June 2004 12:52 AM      Profile for eibie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
COULD THIS BE THE STARTING OF THE COLLAPSE FROM WITHIN?
This article exposes the lack of democracy not only against the "Israeli" Palelestinian Arabs,
but in relation to new Jewish immigrants, not to speak about the Sephardim Jews!!!


Changing fortunes lead Soviet Jews
from Israel to Russia
Last Updated Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:14:25
"The Russian economy that was on the verge of collapse is now booming, while the Israeli economy is sinking under the weight of the intefadeh."
"As a committed Jew, he wanted to help secure the Jewish homeland.
But Dvrdon says soon after arriving in Israel, he woke up."
"For a new immigrant it is especially hard to advance in this system (Israel),
this system is built on connections."
"Dvrdon says Israeli Jews always considered him a Russian rather than a Jew.
And he says, he missed Russia terribly."
"Rabbi Lazar estimates that between 50,000 and 100,000 of the one million that left have returned in the past three years, creating what he calls,
a renaissance in the Russian Jewish community."
MOSCOW - Thousands of the Soviet Jews who fled to Israel when the Soviet Union collapsed are beginning to return to Russia.


INDEPTH: Russia

Slowly but surely, the synagogues of Moscow are filling up again. In the late 1980s and early 1990s close to one million Soviet Jews emigrated to Israel. The Soviet Union was collapsing, Russia was in economic and social chaos and anti-Semitism was rampant.

(AP photo)

"When they left they were cursing this country saying, 'My feet will never set foot on this soil again,' such hatred and unhappiness. But we must admit things have changed," said Berl Lazar, Russia's chief rabbi.

The Russian economy that was on the verge of collapse is now booming, while the Israeli economy is sinking under the weight of the intefadeh.

Israelis live in a state of siege. And in spite of bloody exceptions, such as the recent Moscow subway bombing, Russians feel their security problems are confined to faraway Chechnya. Moreover, says Rabbi Lazar, anti-Semitism in Russia is declining.

"We know anti-Semitic attacks are less than in the past. People can get a job in the government, people can feel secure within government, they won't hear anti-Semitic insults. This is a big change."

Dr. Igor Dvrdon is one of the Russian Jews who returned. He's been back in Moscow for two years. Because doctors in Russia earn just $300 per month Dvrdon is working at his second profession, journalism, writing for a Jewish internet news service.

Dvrdon fled Russia in 1989 right after graduating from medical school. He was full of hope at the time. For years he dreamed of moving to Israel and living in a democracy, free of the humiliating anti-Semitism that was so much a part of Russia. As a committed Jew, he wanted to help secure the Jewish homeland. But Dvrdon says soon after arriving in Israel, he woke up.

"For a new immigrant it is especially hard to advance in this system (Israel), this system is built on connections."

Dvrdon says he quickly discovered that Israeli-born Jews had all the good jobs and all that all the promotions went other Israeli Jews and their relatives. He says Israeli-born doctors at his hospital used their connections to evade compulsory military service. He on the other hand ended up serving four-month stints on the army front lines every year. "I was in Lebanon, I was two times in the occupied territory in Hebron, Bethlehem, I said 'Enough!'"

No matter how hard he tried to learn Hebrew and fit in Dvrdon says Israeli Jews always considered him a Russian rather than a Jew. And he says, he missed Russia terribly.

Rabbi Lazar estimates that between 50,000 and 100,000 of the one million that left have returned in the past three years, creating what he calls, a renaissance in the Russian Jewish community. They are coming back with a lot of knowledge of what a Jewish community should be like, so where they go they do help the locals learn more about their Jewishness."

But Rabbi Lazar many of the returnees are also conflicted; torn between going home to Russia and feeling guilty for abandoning Israel.

Israel still encourages Russian Jews to emigrate. The Jewish state needs immigration. The birthrate amongst Arabs living in Israel is much higher than the Jewish birthrate. Without immigration Arabs could outnumber Jews in Israel in a few decades.

But given Russia's new stability and prosperity Russian Jews are now staying home and increasingly, a growing number of those who left, are returning.

Written by CBC News Online staff


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 24 June 2004 01:32 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
"For a new immigrant it is especially hard to advance in this system (Israel), this system is built on connections."

*paging josh*


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josh
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posted 24 June 2004 04:06 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ha! You don't want to open that can of worms, do you?
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lagatta
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posted 24 June 2004 08:49 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hi Eibie and welcome to babble. Since you are new here, I just want to mention that babble etiquette - and copyright law - dictate that you quote part of an article, then put up a URL link to the rest. As someone in the writing field, I'll also remind you that your citation wasn't very specific.

It is an interesting change of which I was unaware - I knew there was a huge Jewish emigration - mostly from Russian and other former Soviet countries - to Germany but was not aware that many Russians of Jewish origin were returning to their homeland.

As a winter-hater, ... missing Russia? Even colder than here, bbbrrrrrrrr....

Pretty soon you'll get roasted for referring to Israel as "the Zionist state". I certainly don't agree with those who will be doing the roasting and dragging over hot coals, but I don't see any reason to refer to Israel as anything but Israel - unless we always want to refer to Canada as "Northern Turtle Island".


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lagatta
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posted 24 June 2004 10:31 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Here is the link to the CBC news article Eibie posted: http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/06/20/world/russianjews040620
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Rufus Polson
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posted 24 June 2004 07:49 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
As a winter-hater, ... missing Russia? Even colder than here, bbbrrrrrrrr....

Wandering OT, but it depends which bit. One of my wife's parents came from southern Russia by the Black Sea, and apparently it was quite Mediterranean. Russia's really big.


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Michelle
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posted 24 June 2004 07:53 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Al-Q, that exact same sentence jumped out at me and I thought the same thing.

Elbie, welcome to babble. However...please don't cut and paste entire articles to the threads here. What you should do is cut and paste one or two paragraphs, and then give us the link to the web site where the original article appears. It's against babble policy to reprint copyrighted material in the threads.

Could you please edit your post? Thanks.


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DrConway
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posted 24 June 2004 09:04 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Here is the story.
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lagatta
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posted 24 June 2004 09:28 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That is very strange, Doc. I'd already posted it.
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