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skdadl
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posted 20 May 2004 09:10 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
An Israeli court has convicted Barghouti on murder charges in connection with attacks that killed six Israelis.

Apparently, prosecutors "had asked" for five life sentences, but it is not clear that he has been sentenced yet.


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Michelle
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posted 20 May 2004 09:24 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yeah, I heard this on CBC radio this morning.
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Coyote
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posted 20 May 2004 02:19 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hi there, Nelson Mandela.

The more things change, the more they stay the same bloody thing.


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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 20 May 2004 06:28 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Is this fella the same Barghouti who's involved in the Palestinian passive resistance movement?
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al-Qa'bong
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posted 20 May 2004 06:45 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
One day Marwan Barghuthi will be President of Israel/Palestine.

"Marwan Barghuthi is a fighter for freedom and justice and true peace. What really needs to be on trial is this criminal Israeli occupation," said Palestinian Minister of Labour Ghassan al-Khatib.

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Barghuthi, 43, repeatedly condemned attacks on civilians, Israelis and Palestinians alike.

Last year, during a court hearing, he reportedly told Israeli prosecutors that resistance was not terror but rather a personal, human and national duty upon the oppressed.

"I am against killing innocent people. But I am proud of the resistance against the Israeli occupation. To die is better than living under occupation."

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Coyote
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posted 20 May 2004 07:35 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes CMOT he is. And he deserves the respect and support of anyone interested in a lasting peace for all the Middle East. He has been railroaded by a system determined to silence him; his crimes are political, and his conviction will one day be seen in the same light as that of Mandela.
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posted 20 May 2004 07:52 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I can't see why someone who is involved in passive resistance would kill six soldiers. Woulden't that sort of thing be ultimately self defeating for a pacifist?
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Coyote
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posted 20 May 2004 09:06 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
CMOT: Again from Haaretz, this time a piece by Gideon Levy (have I ever mentioned how impressive I find Haaretz's team of columnists, on all sides of the Israeli perspective?) might help to answer your question about Barghouti. Granted, it is a couple of years old - dating from the week of his arrest - but I think it does a good job of clarifying Mr. Barghouti and what he symbolizes.

Listen to Barghouti

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Barghouti did not begin by killing. As a politician, who apparently turned into a terrorist, it cannot be said of him that he did not try the path of negotiations. He was a peace activist. Few Palestinians were as active as he in promoting peace. He was deeply involved in contacts with many Israelis - and not only ones from the left - and never hid his admiration for certain elements of Israeli life. "I wake up in the morning and look West, not East," he once told me.
I am not convinced, note, that he was involved in any attacks inside Israel. He put himself in danger from other militant groups by denouncing the practice; why then engage in it?

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posted 20 May 2004 10:30 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Is this fella the same Barghouti who's involved in the Palestinian passive resistance movement?

No he is not the one you are thinking of (sorry Thomas -- or are you being sly?) I think you are thinking of this one: Dr. Mustafa Barghouthi

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Dr. Mustafa Barghouthi (MD, MSc.) is an active participant in the building of a democratic Palestinian civil society and is one of the most prominent leaders of the Palestinian struggle.

He is the Secretary of the Palestinian National Initiative, or Mubadara, a recently established democratic opposition movement in the realm of Palestinian domestic politics, co-founded along with Dr. Haidar Abdel-Shafi, Mr. Ibrahim Dakak and Dr. Edward Said.


He is an Arafat opponent known to have opposed militant action. Marwan was a powerful leader within Fatah, who believes Palestinians have a right to fight occupying soldiers.

That is why his defence was (as put by the CBC):

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Barghouti has maintained his arrest is illegal and that the Israeli court has no authority. In a statement issued before the verdict, Barghouti said all court decisions are "null and void and have no legitimacy."

He is right on both counts of course.

[ 20 May 2004: Message edited by: Cueball ]


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posted 20 May 2004 11:47 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
He is an Arafat opponent known to have opposed militant action. Marwan was a powerful leader within Fatah, who believes Palestinians have a right to fight occupying soldiers.

He is also a dead ringer for Eugene Levy...
didn't you say he was in jail?


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Coyote
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posted 21 May 2004 02:49 AM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
No Cueball, I wasn't being sly. As the article stated, he was a peace activist before turning almost grudgingly to violence(and I assumed that is what CMOT was referring to). But I understand the confusion and I could have been more clear (Gee Thomas, do the words 'passive resistance' tip you off?). Moustafa Barghouthi is the founder of the Palestinian National Initiative and someone I have corresponded with in the past (I just missed a speech he was giving by one day in Tulkarem; I e-mailed the web-site to let him know how sorry I was to have missed him. When I was beaten up and deported he recognized my name from the e-mail and sent me a message of support); he is not just an opponent of Arafat but of Hamas as well.

My heart lies with Dr. Barghouthi; but Arwan is a true and tragic symbol of a whole process of Palestinian resistance during the First Intifada, the Oslo period, and now the Al-Aqsa Intifada. To follow Arwan's story is to truly understand how deeply the Palestians have been injured by the occupation, and how they have come believe their only path is armed resistance.

Re-reading, it is clear that I should have clarified. In fact, it appears I should have read what CMOT actually wrote, instead of concentrating on that with which I was pre-occupied. Sorry for the confusion.


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posted 21 May 2004 07:17 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Moustafa Barghouthi is the founder of the Palestinian National Initiative and someone I have corresponded with in the past (I just missed a speech he was giving by one day in Tulkarem; I e-mailed the web-site to let him know how sorry I was to have missed him. When I was beaten up and deported he recognized my name from the e-mail and sent me a message of support); he is not just an opponent of Arafat but of Hamas as well.

Has the good doctor expressed any interest in running against Arafat? If I were Palestinian, I would vote for Muostafa.

[ 21 May 2004: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]


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posted 22 May 2004 05:01 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Didn't the israeli security people bust up Dr. Barghouti's office in Jerusalem just last year? I suppose they wanted to encourage his pacifist stance.
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