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xrcrguy
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posted 24 February 2004 09:14 PM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
An interview with Uri Averny

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What is Zionism? What is socialism? Socialism can be Stalinism, it can be social-democratic, can be Mao Tse-tung, it can be trade unionists in the United States... By saying socialism you are saying nothing unless you define what you mean by socialism. The same with Zionism. What does Zionism mean? Does it mean sympathy with Israel? Does it mean that all the Jews of the world should come to Israel, [aliyah]? Is Zionism the belief that the Jews of the world will cease to be Jews unless they move to the Jewish State? What does Zionism mean?

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Uri Avnery is a founding member of Gush Shalom (Israeli Peace Bloc). In his teenage years he was an independence fighter in the Irgun (1938-1942), and later a commando in the Israeli Army's Samson's Foxes. A three-time Knesset member (1965-1973, and 1979-1983), Avnery was the first Israeli to establish contact with the Palestinian Liberation Organization leadership, in 1974. During the war on Lebanon in 1982 he crossed "enemy lines" to be the first Israeli to meet with Yasser Arafat. He has been a journalist since 1947, including 40 years as Editor-in-Chief of the newsmagazine Ha'olam Haze, and is the author of numerous books on the conflict.

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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 24 February 2004 09:46 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What is Zionism? Certainly not what my granny hoped it would be. The Israel she dreamed of isn't the one that Sharon is running now. It is rapidly squandering any potential has to be a socialist state. It's young people are emotionally scarred from decades of conscription, it's left wing parties are scattered and demoralized and its current administration worships at the altar of Ronald Reagan. The racist morons looking after the state have lost all credibility when it comes to dealing with their neighbors. If I had the wherewithal to go and help the country get back on its feet I would, but alas, I am not but a poor student whose cowardice keeps getting in the way of his principals.

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DrConway
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posted 19 March 2004 02:09 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Someone has decided the cost is not worth it.

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Gulf News: All of a sudden there seems to be a push in the Middle East peace process. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon announced the removal of all Israeli colonies in the Gaza strip. Has the wolf turned into a sheep?
Reuven Moskovitz: No. Sharon is Israel's king of lies. He is convinced that he can fool the whole world.

Holy crap!


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josh
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posted 19 March 2004 08:57 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"Israel's raison d'etre is to be a national safe haven for Jews of the world, yet we know now that Israel is the most dangerous place in the world for a Jew to live. Elsewhere you have written that Israel is a breeding ground for anti-Semitism internationally. How has Israel helped or hindered the security of Jews, both within Israel and internationally?"


As Averny says, there's an irony there. And I should add, a tragic one. Despite its military and scientific accomplishments, Zionism has failed to provide a "safe haven" for Jews, and has increased anti-Jewish feelings as a result of its conflict with the Arabs.


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 19 March 2004 12:45 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
There's a lot of that going around.

Someone on another thread posted arguments made by the CJC in their effort to prohibit Al Jazeera from being broadcast in Canada. The usual claim of "antisemitism" was made. No proof was given, but that's another issue.

Don't these people realize how much hostility they would cause towards Jews by successfully banning the "Arab CNN"? I believe their efforts would increase, not diminish antisemitism.


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josh
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posted 19 March 2004 12:59 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
If I were in Canada, I would have no objection to al-jezeera being banned, as long as Faux News was banned as well.
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