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Section 49
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posted 21 January 2004 05:36 PM      Profile for Section 49     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Indictment could force Israeli PM out of office.
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posted 21 January 2004 08:55 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Grant Devine, Brian Mulroney, Bill Vanderzalm, Ariel Sharon.

See a pattern here?

They're all right-wing political leaders whose cozy business connections got them in trouble for bribery and influence peddling, or nearly did, in the case of Bry-Guy.

What is it about conservative political leaders that makes them think they can grease their palms and not get busted for it?


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posted 21 January 2004 09:07 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by DrConway:
Grant Devine, Brian Mulroney, Bill Vanderzalm, Ariel Sharon.

See a pattern here?

They're all right-wing political leaders whose cozy business connections got them in trouble for bribery and influence peddling, or nearly did, in the case of Bry-Guy.

What is it about conservative political leaders that makes them think they can grease their palms and not get busted for it?



And of course let's not forget former Premier Glen Clark.

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posted 21 January 2004 10:39 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh piffle. A friggin' sundeck, and he wasn't even convicted on the influence peddling and bribery charges.

So sucks to your ass-mar.


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posted 21 January 2004 11:04 PM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
HAH! I haven't heard that line in a while...like grade 10. Time for a re-read.
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posted 21 January 2004 11:09 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I hope gets run out of office as fast as possible over this. If only this would result in a Labour government that would be more moderate. The problem is that if you drive out Sharon, you get Netanyahu - who is even worse!

PS: There is apparently vast corruption and bribery by Arafat and his minions in the PA, so people in glass houses better not throw stones.


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posted 21 January 2004 11:46 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Gee, Doc Conway, are you one of Arafat's minions? I hear it's a cushy job.

Glen Clark? Ha!

I bet he's never been compared to Arik Sharon before.

Wow. Anything to demonize the left. Such a wicked comparison, but why am I not surprised.

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quote:
Originally posted by DrConway:
Oh piffle. A friggin' sundeck, and he wasn't even convicted on the influence peddling and bribery charges.

So sucks to your ass-mar.


Either was Mulroney or Sharon (yet). What's good for the goose....

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posted 22 January 2004 01:25 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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PS: There is apparently vast corruption and bribery by Arafat and his minions in the PA, so people in glass houses better not throw stones.

I find it hard to believe that someone, who seems to be content to live out the rest of his days in the burned out hovel that was once his Ramallah headquarters has been ferreting away grafted millions into his Swiss bank account. By now he should have been sunning in Bermuda. I'm sure Sharon would even pay the fair.


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posted 22 January 2004 01:32 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Mishei, if you will direct your attention over here, you will notice that Israel has incurred massive budget deficits, and has been cutting social spending at the same time as tax cuts have gone through.

Juxtaposing this hardship inflicted on the Israeli populace with the fact that Ariel Sharon has personally profited from his business connections is not all that different from noticing how Grant Devine saddled Saskatchewan with a provincial debt grossly out of proportion to its ability to pay, while at the same time conducting what amounted to a raid on the provincial Treasury for his own gain.

Right-wing political leaders, for all their bafflegab about spendthrift left-wingers and the alleged immorality of said left-wingers, certainly do not seem to be bothered at all by hypocrisy.


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posted 22 January 2004 02:21 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by DrConway:
Mishei, if you will direct your attention over here, you will notice that Israel has incurred massive budget deficits, and has been cutting social spending at the same time as tax cuts have gone through.

Juxtaposing this hardship inflicted on the Israeli populace with the fact that Ariel Sharon has personally profited from his business connections is not all that different from noticing how Grant Devine saddled Saskatchewan with a provincial debt grossly out of proportion to its ability to pay, while at the same time conducting what amounted to a raid on the provincial Treasury for his own gain.

Right-wing political leaders, for all their bafflegab about spendthrift left-wingers and the alleged immorality of said left-wingers, certainly do not seem to be bothered at all by hypocrisy.



Doc Im not disagreeing with you. I just think you shouldn't be so black and white.

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posted 22 January 2004 04:24 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Mishei:
Doc Im not disagreeing with you. I just think you shouldn't be so black and white.

Snerk. (TM Michelle)

What was that they said about the pot and the kettle?


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posted 23 January 2004 06:28 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What's surprising in all this is that the bribe came from a real estate developer.
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posted 23 January 2004 12:29 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Are you a sarcasm tutor when you aren't babbling, T-P?
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posted 23 January 2004 12:50 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I was thinking the same thing this morning. Surprising indeed!
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posted 21 February 2004 12:26 AM      Profile for majorvictory     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sharon tapes 'contain stink of corruption'

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By Inigo Gilmore in Or Yehuda
(Filed: 25/01/2004)

Israeli police are examining more than 50 hours of potentially explosive taped conversation between Ariel Sharon and his sons, recorded by a former close aide who has since turned on the beleaguered prime minister.

The scale of the evidence has been revealed by the aide, David Spector, in an exclusive interview with the Telegraph. Mr Sharon is fighting for his political life over a long-running scandal about murky political payments and alleged illicit campaign financing.

Ariel Sharon: vows he won't step down
Mr Spector, 50, who is credited with planning Mr Sharon's successful attempt to become the leader of the Likud party in 1999, believes that his tapes could be important evidence in the police investigation into the Israeli leader and could possibly bring about his downfall.

For many years Mr Spector recorded four-way conversations involving himself, the prime minister and Mr Sharon's sons, Gilad and Omri, on audio and video tapes.

Mr Sharon has consistently denied to investigators having any involvement in campaign funding, saying that he left complex issues of financing to his sons. In one short clip from Mr Spector's tapes that was broadcast on Israeli television last week, however, Mr Sharon can be heard asking Mr Spector for information on transfers from foreign bank accounts linked to campaign financing.

Sitting in his well-appointed office in the security company he owns in Or Yehuda, a Tel Aviv satellite town, Mr Spector claimed: "It is like a very big puzzle, but soon the picture will become clear. These taped conversations show that Sharon knew about everything when it came to the finances, even the smallest details. He is in trouble. Big, big trouble."



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posted 21 February 2004 08:44 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by DrConway:

Snerk. (TM Michelle)

What was that they said about the pot and the kettle?


I call it "the pot calling the oregano green".


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posted 21 February 2004 09:37 PM      Profile for majorvictory     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sharon & Sons, Inc.

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By Uzi Benziman

Again and again, shady affairs involving the prime minister and his sons, and testifying to nepotism of the crudest kind, are brought to the attention of the public. First came news of the involvement of Ariel Sharon's sons in raising funds to finance their father's election campaign in 1999; then the Cyril Kern affair came to light; next, the state comptroller pointed out Sharon's disregard for the conflict of interest between his official role and the fact that his son owns agricultural land; and then, three days ago, came exposure of the agreement signed between contractor David Appel and Gilad Sharon according to which the prime minister's son would receive $3 million in return for helping to promote Appel's plan to set up an island resort in Greece.

The consistency and frequency with which the Sharon family appears to mix its private affairs with those of the state (the affairs are still under investigation), and in which the boundaries between the official roles of the father and the activities of his sons are blurred do not make an impression on the public: It does not call the prime minister to order and makes do with his unconvincing denials.

In this context, the incorporation into the Middle East is complete: The late King Hussein ruled by means of his family and designated his son, Abdullah, as his heir; Hafez Assad appointed Bashar as his successor; Saddam Hussein's two principal aides are his sons, Qusay and Uday; Saudi Arabia is a clan in the guise of a state; and for the past three years, Israel has been governed by the Sharon family.

During Sharon's first term in office, his son, Omri, became the main player in matters of state. Prior to his father's election, Omri had made a name for himself primarily as someone who spent time in fashionable bars, and was not known as a glittering statesman or experienced politician. Overnight, and by virtue of his father's desires, however, Omri Sharon became an official partner to the most sensitive secrets of state.

On behalf of his father, he was sent on delicate missions to Yasser Arafat and became a member of the restricted team negotiating with the Palestinian leader, despite the objections of the attorney general. Sharon, the father, had no qualms about telling the High Court of Justice that his son's missions were intended "to save human lives." Sharon, the father, was so pleased with the performance of his son that he told the media that had he listened to him in the past, he would have risen to the post of prime minister a long time ago.



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posted 21 February 2004 11:56 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Gosh, Sharon's sons must be idiots. They pissed off the guy with the video tapes?!?! Smooth.
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Has there been any documented evidence of real estate speculation in the Occupied Territories that have been coming from people closely connected to Sharon?
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