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josh
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posted 18 December 2003 12:38 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
""If there is a demographic problem, and there is, it is with the Israeli Arabs who will remain Israeli citizens," he said. The Declaration of Independence said Israel should be a Jewish and democratic state, but to ensure the Jewish character was not engulfed by demography, it was necessary to ensure a Jewish majority, he said.

If Israel's Arabs become well integrated and reach 35-40 percent of the population, there will no longer be a Jewish state but a bi-national one, he said. If Arabs remain at 20 percent but relations are tense and violent, this will also harm the state's democratic fabric. "Therefore a policy is needed that will balance the two.""


His solution? No, not that. Lower taxes:

"The economy is the single most important factor that will lead to Jews immigrating to Israel, he said. "I go mad when I see that because of low taxation in Moscow, there is now a capital flow there. If we want Jews to come here, we need a flourishing and dynamic economy. If we want Israeli Arabs to integrate, we need a flourishing and dynamic economy.""


Reaction from the Israeli Arab community was swift:

""Netnayahu's demographic time bomb is a stink bomb and a racist one," said Ahmed Tibi (Hadash). "The day is not far off when Netnayahu and his followers will set up roadblocks at the entrance to Arab villages to tie Arab women's tubes and spray them with anti-spermicide."

Azmi Bishara, of Balad (National Democratic Alliance) said: "Describing the original residents of this land as a demographic problem would be considered racism in any normal, or even abnormal, country."

Makhoul Issam Makhoul (Hadash) said: "A leader who considers 20 percent of the population of Israel to be a demographic threat and treats them as an existential problem, is himself a racist threat to democracy, sanity, and the rule of law - and he should be disposed of immediately for the good of both peoples."

Talab a-Sana (United Arab List) said: "How would Netanyahu react if someone in the West or the U.S. said that the reproduction rate of Haredi Jews was a demographic problem? Netnayahu has double standards."

Labor whip Dalia Itzik described Netanyahu as "a serial pyromaniac." She said: "He has already lit the flames between rich and poor, and now he is trying to do the same between Jews and Arabs.""


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/373225.html


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WingNut
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posted 18 December 2003 03:53 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Imagine the outrage if a Palestinian had made such a racist statement? Where is the Israeli lobby to condemn this statement and declare Nethanyahu the racist that he is.
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Michelle
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posted 18 December 2003 04:00 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This is outrageous.

Gee, maybe this is what he wanted to talk to students about when he came to Concordia. (I can't remember - it WAS Concordia, right?)

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Courage
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posted 18 December 2003 05:31 PM      Profile for Courage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Remember Milosevic? Same kind of euphemistic language was used there in regard to Kosova. Few were mystified by the euphemisms of 'demography' in that case, why are they in this one? Not suprisingly, Israeli helped Serbia with diplomatic and military support throughout the mess in the Balkans. Confluence of interests? You betchya....

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Courage
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posted 18 December 2003 05:37 PM      Profile for Courage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
"He has already lit the flames between rich and poor, and now he is trying to do the same between Jews and Arabs."

Not to gloss over the fact that there are many nominal Jews in Israel who are living in poverty, or close to it but, one of the things that becomes immediately apparent when travelling Israel is the strange coincidence of class/income lines with ethnic ones. Haifa, in particular is like a microcosm of the problem. Near the ports, there is little vegetation, the neighbourhoods are poor and working class, and this is where one finds the remaining Arabs (i.e. those not among the tens-of-thousands who fled or were driven out in the 1948 war). As one travels up Biblical Mt. Carmel, one finds the population becoming more affluent, more Jewish, and when one finally arrives at the top there are the best shopping districts, tree-lined streets, spacious and well-appointed homes, and frankly, few Arabs to be seen. Just a coinkidink though....

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Doug
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posted 18 December 2003 06:29 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yet more proof that conservatives think that lower taxes are the solution to EVERYTHING.
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salaam
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posted 19 December 2003 12:25 AM      Profile for salaam     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"Demography" and "ensuring majority" is the language of ethnic cleansing and genocide. It is nothing new in Israel. It is talked about in public and now, increasingly, it is seriously discussed by Israel's most powerful leaders.

You can be sure that major atrocities will follow in the coming years.
The rest of the world, distracted by "peace plans" and numbed by the never ending news of violence in the region, continues to ignore the root of the conflict. People have been warning about the dangers of ethnocracy for years. History has shown countless times where they lead to.

Don't be surprised when you hear the news of entire towns of people being deprived of their citizenship against their will, and families driven into camps away from their homes for the crime of not being the right ethnicty ("terrorists" or "terrorist supporters").

Israel, as it is today, is based on the dispossesion of its original inhabitants, and it can't survive without finishing what it started. Either one group is removed, or equality for all is enforced by law. There is nothing in between but mutual destruction.

Equal rights for all people regardless of religion, or ethnicty may be a utopian dream, but is also a right that must be strived for.

A state of all its citizens to replace ethnocracy and occupation is not an option for the future, it is a necessity now.


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Gir Draxon
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posted 19 December 2003 01:38 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I would not call it racism, since the lower tax idea was proposed both to attract Jewish immigratns and to integrate Israeli Arabs.

Fiercely nationalistic, even jingoistic, but not racist remarks.

And yes, Netanyahu represents the radical right in Israel. But to say that he represents all of Israel is like saying that Larry Spencer represents all of Canada.


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 19 December 2003 03:28 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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But to say that he represents all of Israel is like saying that Larry Spencer represents all of Canada.

Not quite. Spencer is a disgraced ex-Alliance independent MP from the sticks, with no future in Parliament.

Bibi is a former head-of state and current high ranking cabinet minister with a lot of clout, in both his own country and abroad.


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beluga2
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posted 19 December 2003 04:04 AM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Fiercely nationalistic, even jingoistic, but not racist remarks.

Bullshit it's nationalistic. The people he's referring to as a "demographic problem" are his fellow Israeli citizens. Not foreigners, Israelis. Though Bibi obviously doesn't consider them "real" Israelis at all, because they're ethnically Arab. If that isn't racism, I don't know what is.


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