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Timebandit
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posted 08 December 2003 11:46 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
... the Americans are training assassins, too.

Read it here.


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 09 December 2003 12:16 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Colonel Ralph Peters, a former army intelligence officer and a critic of Pentagon policy in Iraq, said yesterday there was nothing wrong with learning lessons wherever possible.

"...The American tendency is to try to win all the hearts and minds. In Iraq, there are just some hearts and minds you can't win. Within the bounds of human rights, if you do make an example of certain villages it gets the attention of the others..."


To paraphrase Genghis Khan...


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Bubbles
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posted 09 December 2003 12:24 AM      Profile for Bubbles        Edit/Delete Post
Soon they will rehiring Sadam and purchase woodshippers.
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Courage
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posted 09 December 2003 06:14 AM      Profile for Courage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I predicted months ago that the discourse in Iraq would start to sound like Palestine...
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No Yards
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posted 09 December 2003 09:58 AM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Bubbles:
Soon they will rehiring Sadam and purchase woodshippers.

Why would they revert to such inefficient methods when they have the MOAB?? Does Haliburton have a woodchipper subdivision that needs to show profitability??

And who needs Saddam when Colonel Peters can do the same job?


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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 09 December 2003 10:05 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
here's the original new yorker article, written by, surprise surprise, sy hersh.
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skdadl
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posted 09 December 2003 10:08 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Courage:
I predicted months ago that the discourse in Iraq would start to sound like Palestine...


Well, it goes back to Viet Nam as well.

"Hearts and minds" was someone's (whose?) original phrase for what the U.S. had to sway in South Viet Nam. And then some smart-mouth (who? was it Lyndon Johnson?) came up with the classic line, "If we get 'em by the balls, the hearts and minds will follow."

Yeah.


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Courage
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posted 09 December 2003 04:04 PM      Profile for Courage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by skdadl:


Well, it goes back to Viet Nam as well.

"Hearts and minds" was someone's (whose?) original phrase for what the U.S. had to sway in South Viet Nam. And then some smart-mouth (who? was it Lyndon Johnson?) came up with the classic line, "If we get 'em by the balls, the hearts and minds will follow."

Yeah.


Mmmmmm....War.

Warms the cockles, doesn't it?


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'lance
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posted 09 December 2003 04:14 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
According to this, "hearts and minds" was originally a British phrase, used by them in Kenya and Malaya.
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skdadl
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posted 09 December 2003 04:27 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I can believe that, 'lance.

This site claims that Johnson picked up the "hearts and minds" reference, and then makes a passive attribution of the "balls" line.

That bothers me. I'm sure we should be able to pin that line on some prime offender.


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WingNut
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posted 09 December 2003 06:43 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Everything I can find attributes the statement to LBJ although there is no direct quotation. Interesting ...
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al-Qa'bong
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posted 09 December 2003 06:59 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Maybe it's some Borg-melding of LBJ and what Kennedy once said about his relations with Khruschev?
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DrConway
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posted 09 December 2003 07:57 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The "balls" part sounds a lot like LBJ, though, if Joe Califano's biography of his time as LBJ's assistant is any indication.
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