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josh
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posted 18 November 2003 02:44 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"The U.S. military's code name for a crackdown on resistance in Iraq was also used by the Nazis for an aborted operation to damage the Soviet power grid during World War II.

"Operation Iron Hammer" this week launched the 1st Armored Division's 3rd Brigade into the roughest parts of Baghdad to ferret out the attackers who have killed scores of U.S. troops since Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was ousted in April.

A Pentagon official said the name was chosen because of the "Old Ironsides" nickname of the 1st Armored Division. He was unaware of any connection to any Nazi operation."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?B21651396


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HeywoodFloyd
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posted 18 November 2003 02:55 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Slow headline day?
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Briguy
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posted 18 November 2003 03:17 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This once again prooves that the current administration has no familiarity with history. I suspect that they have no familiarity with literature either, aside from Orwell, which they obviously misread as some sort of guidebook.
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al-Qa'bong
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posted 18 November 2003 04:16 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Any comparison of anything with Nazis is vile sick antisemitism, unless such comparisons have first been approved by Infomish.

Carry on...


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drgoodword
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posted 18 November 2003 04:52 PM      Profile for drgoodword   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Sarcasmobri:
This once again prooves that the current administration has no familiarity with history. I suspect that they have no familiarity with literature either, aside from Orwell, which they obviously misread as some sort of guidebook.

Thanks. I was drinking tea on that last line.

I wonder if tea is good for cleaning keyboards?


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DrConway
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posted 19 November 2003 02:39 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
drgoodword, I would suggest putting your keyboard in the dishwasher with no soap, on the cold water cycle, then letting it dry for a whole day before you plug it back in.

As for the "Iron Hammer" reference, I was not drinking anything, but I do daresay my jaw came loose for a couple seconds there while I tried to pick it up off the floor at the weirdness of coincidences.


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aRoused
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posted 19 November 2003 07:23 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm with Floyd on this one. There's a lot of military operations with code names through history, and I doubt there's a canonical list anywhere that you can check and make sure you aren't accidentally linking your operation semantically to another.

I doubt even most specialists in WWII combat operations would know the name of an operation that was:

quote:
repeatedly postponed and was finally scrapped after an allied air assault destroyed many of the German planes on the ground in 1945, shortly before the defeat of Germany.

without going back to their reference books and checking to make sure.

And, it's not like they called it Operation "Night of Broken Glass", either.


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Briguy
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posted 19 November 2003 09:00 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You can't tell me that someone somewhere in the upper echelon of the US Admin doesn't subscribe to WWII magazine. Somebody dropped der Ball on this one. WWII magazine had a feature on Operation Iron Hammer back in 1997! (ain't google great?)
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aRoused
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posted 19 November 2003 11:16 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Fair enough, but remembering that far back at the time you're thinking up a name for your new operation? I don't think we can fairly claim either that it's intentional, or that it's a sign that the military brass don't know their military history.

I mean, as military operation names go, it's a pretty typical-sounding one. If anything I wonder if there were other Iron Hammer operations out there..
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(Google searches)
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Okay, there don't seem to be any others, but I stand by my claim.

For example:
How operations and exercises get their names?

In my Tom Clancy-reading days, I recall him mentioning a computer used to randomly generate operational names and codephrases.

So, on balance, the only 'blame' I'd assign here is of the 'I can't believe you were issued a name, didn't realize you'd maybe read about it six years ago, and didn't make the connection with the German translation of the name and its connection with an operation that never was carried out sixty years ago'.

Pretty slim pickings, IMO.

Edited to add: And I can't find WWII magazine.

[ 19 November 2003: Message edited by: aRoused ]


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 19 November 2003 12:35 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Gosh. This is just uncanny. To say nothing of all the people who actually own an iron hammer. My guess is that they're Nazis as well. In fact, at the risk of trying to smear everyone with Nazi-ness, my guess is you're probably a big ol' Nazi if you happen to own an iron and a hammer!

(seriously... how did a non sequitur like this merit two threads? Wouldn't a 300lb pumpkin at some state fair trump this?)


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lagatta
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posted 19 November 2003 12:37 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Didn't they also have one called 'Operation Desert Fox? (though in fairness, Rommel wasn't a Nazi).
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HeywoodFloyd
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posted 19 November 2003 12:40 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I always thought it would be cool to be a iron worker on the high steel. I would be up there with my Iron Hammer making Iron Crosses in a land where Irony and Ironing are both permitted.

I hope the Iron Framing in my building is a diamond lattice formation or there could be Iron Swastikas at my office.


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Briguy
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posted 19 November 2003 01:37 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Actually, I was only being silly in both of my posts. Not that WWII magazine doesn't exist (it does) or that there wasn't a feature article on Operation Iron Hammer in 1997 (there was), but I don't really expect that anyone would have caught die sinnlose Arbeit. Der Zufall ergibt einen guten Lachen oder zwei, nein?

(google "Operation Iron Hammer", and you'll find a moderately-written article referring to the 1997 piece)


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