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Sara Mayo
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posted 17 November 2003 12:56 PM      Profile for Sara Mayo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Mishei mentionned this in the Einstein thread, but I didn't know what he was talking about.

Here is the gist of the big news in Israel...

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But all of this paled in comparison to the bombshell dropped by four former heads of Israel’s Shin Bet security service, two days before the distribution of the accord to the Israeli public.
       In an interview published in Friday’s edition of the Yediot Ahronot newspaper, and in a radio talk show, they launched a searing attack on the current government’s policies, sending a shudder through the ranks of the ruling Likud Party.
       The four have 20 years of experience heading the General Security Service, or GSS, the organization that knows better than any other the mindsets of both Palestinian and Israeli societies.
       Their conclusion was that if Israel does not embark on a peace deal soon, it was endangering its very existence.
       Yaacov Perry, who ran Shin Bet from 1987 to 1993, said the only way “out of the mud” is for Israel to take unilateral steps, such as withdrawing from the Gaza Strip.
       “In every aspect that you look at — economic, diplomatic, security, and social ... we are heading to an almost catastrophic decline,” Perry said.
       Carmi Gilon, Shin Bet head from 1995-1996 agreed: “It is clear to me that we are heading for a crash.”
       At the heart of the coordinated attack was the behavior of the Israeli Defense Forces in the territories.
       Avraham Shalom, a Shin Beit leader with a reputation as a hard-liner, weighed in with his own tough assessment.
       “We must once and for all admit that there is another side, that it has feelings and that it is suffering, and that we are behaving disgracefully. Yes, there is no other word for it. Disgracefully.”
       And so it went on. The intelligence chiefs said it was a grave error to dismantle the Palestinian security forces, that the controversial security fence around the West Bank is a mistake, that the Israelis were over-obsessed with Arafat, and ultimately, that the government’s policies have brought about a loss of hope on both sides.
       The outburst was extraordinary from men whose opinions would normally be listened to by even Sharon’s most right-wing supporters. And the words just might make enough Israelis read the Geneva Accord text in a new light when it pops into their mailboxes this weekend.

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al-Qa'bong
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posted 17 November 2003 01:40 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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The intelligence chiefs said it was a grave error to dismantle the Palestinian security forces, that the controversial security fence around the West Bank is a mistake, that the Israelis were over-obsessed with Arafat, and ultimately, that the government’s policies have brought about a loss of hope on both sides.

Wait a minute. Our favourite Likud apologist has been telling us that these "security measures" are necessary things, good things. Has he shifted his opinion?

We're still at war with Eurasia, right?


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Blind_Patriot
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posted 17 November 2003 02:20 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Wow! Very Impressive. It is supported by the likes of various peaceful individuals such as...

Jimmy Carter
Nelson Mandela
Kofi Annan
Mishei?

Israel's nonexceptance of this accord would truly show that they are not interested in peace.


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Briguy
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posted 17 November 2003 02:31 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Israel's nonexceptance of this accord would truly show that they are not interested in peace.

Likud's nonacceptance would show that Likud is not interested in peace. We've kinda known that about Likud from the git-go, though. Hopefully, the people of Israel will overcome Likud's hatred and ambition towards Palestine.


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 18 November 2003 01:53 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Hopefully, the people of Israel will overcome Likud's hatred and ambition towards Palestine.

I won't hold my breath. The "people of Israel" elected a world-renowned war criminal as their Prime Minister. Twice.

Before that they elected as PM a notorious terrorist, Menachem Begin, someone who had bragged about how the success of the Irgun's 1947-48 terror campaign against Palestinians civilians cleared land for Jewish occupation. The Deir Yassin massacre was quite the feather in his cap.

Israelis keep electing these bloodthirsty beasts to lead their "democracy." Israelis must like their methods.


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WingNut
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posted 18 November 2003 08:05 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
More than that the two state solution is dead. Mishei will say I am an antisemite for saying so, but it was Israel who killed it.

The settlements which Israel will never dismantle and has always encouraged and now the wall ensure there can never be a viable Palestinian state.

The question now is what sort of single state will we have? A democracy? Or apartheid?


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Michelle
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posted 18 November 2003 08:38 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, I think the wall (oops, sorry, "fence") makes it clear which of those it will be.
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Bubbles
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posted 19 November 2003 12:25 AM      Profile for Bubbles        Edit/Delete Post
One thing the ISS assesment fails to mention is the Religious factor. In Israel religion and politics are so intertwined, as in a lot of the Arab world, that it makes accomodation in the conflict next to impossible. And it seems to me that the Palistinians are getting better in separating religion from politics and the Israelis worse. ( Just an impression on my part) If that continues, then the Palistinians will be the more resilient to weather this conflict out.
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