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al-Qa'bong
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posted 26 October 2003 06:27 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Their darkest hour, for the exiled Palestinian refugees, is also their finest moment: democratic, participatory, full of hope and faith, wedded to the law, anticipating a normal life in which citizen rights are protected by constitutional guarantees. This dynamic must be better appreciated by Israel, the US and the world, because it represents what makes the Palestinians tick, what inspires them, and what they seek to achieve. This is why Palestinians are so proud, and can endure so much pain.

Rami Khouri - Editor of the Daily Star


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Mori
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posted 27 October 2003 11:25 AM      Profile for Mori     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What about the Kurds???? At least they have done so much for themselves! THEY truly deserve our attention!!!! Our respect!!! A land to call their own!!! What have the "palestinians" done for themselves in the last 50 years??? Show us just one independent newspaper that is not under the influence of heavy censorship. Show us one incling of democracy and full rights for all.

"palestinians" don't have a state to call their own (except Jordan) simply because they do not deserve one. SUFFERING is NOT a legitimate excuse to usurp another's land (Israel!), Jews were entitled to a land of their own because of the strides they made towards nationhood BEFORE nationhood was legitimately granted to them by the UN and then that nationhood was defended so often against their racist neighbours who are only after a "Juden Frei" (Infidel Frei to be more exact) Muslim territory and who defied UN desisions. Different UN today where anything anti-Israel (Jewish) is greeted with an automatic majority of votes from so many Muslim countries that couldn't give a rat's testicle of care to right or democracy but are motivated only by racism and terror perpetrated against their own peoples whom they regard as little more than fodder for the cannons!!!


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skdadl
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posted 27 October 2003 11:30 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Two points, Mori:

1. It is assumed on babble that all human beings "deserve" our respect. That is all human beings as in all human beings, Mori. Few of us withhold our "respect" from others until we can be convinced that they are running profitable pizza parlours and discos and dress just like middle-class North Americans, Mori.

2. Why are you using the German expression Juden Frei (do you actually mean Judenrein?) in the context of a discussion about Middle Eastern societies?


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lagatta
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posted 27 October 2003 11:33 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Any bets on how long before this one gets banned?

It took me all the restraint I could muster not to correct the rather painful syntax and overuse of exclamation marks. But not capitalising the names of peoples, nations and religions, assuming the previous poster is English-speaking, borders on insult to the said group and is counter to babble policy.

By the way, long live free Kurdistan.


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Smith
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posted 27 October 2003 03:12 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It seems like a common pro-Likud tactic to pretend that Arabs and Nazi-era Germans are essentially the same. Hence the German phrases.

It's a dishonest tactic, of course, and falls apart under any serious scrutiny.


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lagatta
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posted 27 October 2003 03:26 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
And we must not forget that there were many German-speakers among the victims, Jewish and not, of Nazi terror. And the survivors, including a wonderful 95-year-old Viennese lady I know who now lives on a left-wing kibbutz in Israel where she still paints landscapes, after spending many decades in Brazil. And no, she is most definitely NOT a Likudist.
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Blind_Patriot
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posted 27 October 2003 03:35 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Mori has a twisted mind and a twisted view on History. And that post, just like much of the other hyperbole I've read since Mori's short time on babble is a sick attemp at re-writting history, like some right wing Zionists try to do.
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Smith
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posted 27 October 2003 03:58 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Let us not forget one crucial reason the two-state solution is sought after.

It has nothing to do with the Palestinians. It is about the Israelis' concern with maintaining the Jewish majority in their country. Indeed, if the Israelis were not concerned about the Jewish majority, it would be much easier for them to make a deal to annex the entire West Bank and establish a secular, binational, democratic state.

But they don't want the Palestinian Arabs to be able to vote in the State of Israel. Currently, Sharon & Co. seem to hope that if they make life in the West Bank and Gaza unpleasant enough for the Arabs, they will leave and Israel will be able to annex the whole territory for Jewish-majority use.

That isn't working, so instead what we get is an Israeli-controlled apartheid state attached to Israel, where Jews can vote in the Israeli elections - you know, the ones that help decide what the OCCUPYING ARMY is going to do - and other people can't.

The only way to preserve Israel's Jewish majority without sacrificing democracy is to relinquish control of the occupied territories. That is what the two-state solution is about. And that is what Mori forgot when he was busy slobbering about how Palestinians are worthless and evil.

[ 27 October 2003: Message edited by: Smith ]


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Courage
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posted 27 October 2003 04:31 PM      Profile for Courage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Mori:
[QB]What about the Kurds???? At least they have done so much for themselves! THEY truly deserve our attention!!!! Our respect!!! A land to call their own!!! What have the "palestinians" done for themselves in the last 50 years??? Show us just one independent newspaper that is not under the influence of heavy censorship. Show us one incling of democracy and full rights for all.

I see. A democratic totalitarian, huh? Interesting that this criteria would quickly disqualify Israel from candicacy for 'deserving to exist'.

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"palestinians" don't have a state to call their own (except Jordan) simply because they do not deserve one. SUFFERING is NOT a legitimate excuse to usurp another's land (Israel!),

Was not the primary argument behind Zionism that Jews had sufferred in Diaspora?

The rest of your drivel isn't worth the bandwidth. Go crawl back under your bridge.


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lagatta
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posted 27 October 2003 04:38 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Don't bother. I believe it has already been banned.
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