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josh
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posted 18 September 2003 01:30 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"Sharon envisages only an all-out war against the Palestinians and their total submission. The moderate position of secular Palestinian circles thus creates a problem for him, because it exposes his extremist positions."

http://www.tikkun.org/index.cfm/action/current/article/186.html

[ 18 September 2003: Message edited by: josh ]


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evenflow
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posted 18 September 2003 04:09 PM      Profile for evenflow        Edit/Delete Post
Sharon can do as he pleases as he's supported every step of the way by the US, including important UN veto's and providing financial and military support. Sharon, who Bush calls "a man of peace" is the same man who is wanted for war crimes in Lebanon, and is known the world over as "The Butcher" and "The Bulldozer".

Maybe his illegal Berlin wall will solve the problems created by Israel's illegal occupation.


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Sisyphus
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posted 18 September 2003 06:32 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm bookmarking Tikkun. It's so hard for a casual dilletante in Middle East issues like myself to find a reasonably balanced source of information.

Scary article, though I could see a similar headline: "Bush's Intentions: Destroy..." well, you get the idea.


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DrConway
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posted 18 September 2003 08:24 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
All-out war on the Palestinans? What the hell is Sharon smoking?
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josh
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posted 25 October 2003 09:55 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"A senior U.S. official
noticed that the route of the
fence follows the exact line
outlined in 1977 by Sharon,
who then aimed to prevent the establishment of
a future Palestinian state."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/353250.html

"Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Friday that Israel's military was working on a proposal to extend a contentious West Bank barrier with a section that could go into the Jordan Valley near the border with Jordan."

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/25/international/middleeast/25MIDE.html?hp

The man hasn't changed one bit.


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April Follies
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posted 25 October 2003 03:20 PM      Profile for April Follies   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm not surprised, alas. A man who takes apartheid South Africa as his working model - despite what happened to apartheid South Africa - is a man who refuses to learn from history, or, indeed, anything.

It's interesting to note that in the 1980s, when South Africa was my "most urgent Cause", the ANC was usually described in the US as a terrorist organization. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

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EarthShadow
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posted 25 October 2003 04:10 PM      Profile for EarthShadow        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by evenflow:

Maybe his illegal Berlin wall will solve the problems created by Israel's illegal occupation.


The Berlin wall kept East Germans in, as in enslaved.

The Israeli wall is intended to keep suicide bombers out. Foolhardy, maybe.

Illegal in your court?
Wake up, Judge.

[ 25 October 2003: Message edited by: EarthShadow ]


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Smith
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posted 25 October 2003 05:25 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Huh?

You really think the wall's entire purpose is to keep suicide bombers out? You think the fact that it is being built beyond the borders of Israel, in some cases cutting Palestinians off from their lands and livelihoods, is just a coincidence?

Some coincidence.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were being built partly to discourage Israelis from entering the occupied territories and seeing what is done there for themselves.

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EarthShadow
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posted 25 October 2003 06:04 PM      Profile for EarthShadow        Edit/Delete Post
No, I think. You are correct, it's not a coincidence.

Have the borders of Israel been defined?

Built to keep Israelis in?

Gee, who knew?

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Smith
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posted 25 October 2003 06:10 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Have the borders of Israel been defined?

Yes. A little something called the Green Line.


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WingNut
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posted 25 October 2003 06:12 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From the article:
quote:
The campaign against Arafat and the pragmatic forces entails encouraging Hamas and turning it into the dominant body among the Palestinians. I wish to emphasize here: This is not an inadvertent mistake by Sharon; it is the conception, over which we shall weep for generations to come.

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EarthShadow
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posted 25 October 2003 06:42 PM      Profile for EarthShadow        Edit/Delete Post
Speak for Yourself.
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WingNut
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posted 25 October 2003 07:48 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yeah, okay.
The wall is an extension of a racist, apartheid state that imprisons the Palestinian population within a ghetto bereft of hope. It is a shameful and utterly brutal legacy.

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EarthShadow
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posted 25 October 2003 07:58 PM      Profile for EarthShadow        Edit/Delete Post
That's better.
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Courage
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posted 26 October 2003 07:19 PM      Profile for Courage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by EarthShadow:
[QB]

The Berlin wall kept East Germans in, as in enslaved.


To keep them from seeing what was on the other side - of confronting the abyssal 'other' named by the controlling ideology of the state. For the GDR, 'capitalist pigs', for Israel, 'the Arabs/terrorists'. For the GDR the realisation that the system was a house of cards, for Israel, the realisation that the Palestinians are people...

Same effect. The wall is there to keep Israel in. Never again should any Israeli speak of Israel as a release from the 'ghetto' as long as that wall stands.


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EarthShadow
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posted 26 October 2003 07:31 PM      Profile for EarthShadow        Edit/Delete Post
The wall could become the de facto border of the State of Israel. It may come down someday.

Whether or not it reduces suicide bombings remains to be seen.


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Smith
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posted 26 October 2003 07:39 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
The wall could become the de facto border of the State of Israel.

Well, yes, that's the idea. It's an illegal land grab.


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