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WingNut
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posted 11 September 2003 06:05 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Jerusalem Post Says: "Kill Arafat"
19:29 Sep 11, '03 / 14 Elul 5763

The Jerusalem Post took a strong editorial stand today, calling on Israel to kill Yasser Arafat:
"The world will not help us; we must help ourselves. We must kill as many of the Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders as possible, as quickly as possible, while minimizing collateral damage, but not letting that damage stop us. And we must kill Yasser Arafat, because the world leaves us no alternative."


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=49615


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WingNut
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posted 11 September 2003 06:10 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Israel draws up plans to remove Arafat
By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem

12 September 2003

The Israeli Cabinet raised the stakes in its confrontation with Yasser Arafat last night by ordering the army to draw up plans to "remove" him from his besieged headquarters in the West Bank city of Ramallah.


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=442551


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WingNut
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posted 11 September 2003 06:14 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Arafat Defiant Over Calls for Expulsion
By KARIN LAUB

JERUSALEM - Israel said Yasser Arafat will be removed because he is a "complete obstacle" to peace, but put off immediate action Thursday on expelling the 74-year-old Palestinian leader.

Later, Arafat emerged from his sandbagged office building and flashed a victory sign to hundreds of supporters who rushed to his headquarters to protect the Palestinian leader from what they feared would be an immediate Israeli move to seize him.

"The leader is Abu Ammar," the crowd chanted, referring to Arafat by his nom de guerre.

In Gaza City, hundreds of gunmen _ some firing into the air _ rushed to the parliament building. Marchers carried Arafat posters and flags, chanting: "Sharon, listen well, we will send you to hell!"


AP


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April Follies
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posted 11 September 2003 06:15 PM      Profile for April Follies   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Isn't Richard Perle, of US neocon fame (Defense Policy Board), also on the board of the Jerusalem Post?
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pogge
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posted 11 September 2003 06:18 PM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
April:

Yes.


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skdadl
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posted 11 September 2003 06:32 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The logic of it all.

It is horrible to be able to grasp the logic of it all, is it not?

The train wreck, the car crash, in slow motion before us. Every wrong thing that can be done is being done.

Whatever was true of Arafat, what will be done now is an outrage against a people already brutalized and dispossessed, and history will remember it that way.

If we have any history ahead of us. This is going to hurt us all.


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WingNut
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posted 11 September 2003 08:29 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
When this action occurs, and it breeds more violence and more deaths, and it will, and leads not one step closer to peace, and it won't, but ensures decades more violence, and it will, who will be the obstacle then? Who will Sharon then blame for the violence?

Stay tuned as the violent search for a Palestinian Vichy continues.


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posted 11 September 2003 10:04 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Jerusalem Post is a total rag. This is the true face of the Likud. Murderers all.

As a refreshing contrast, these two pieces are in tomorrow's Haaretz:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/339475.html

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/339476.html


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skdadl
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posted 11 September 2003 10:39 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
josh, those articles are refreshing indeed because they are intelligent. The second especially is helpful to a North American innocent who doesn't know the political shadings of the debate within Israel all that well.

But they still don't offer much hope, do they? Unless you believe that large numbers of Israelis are willing to come out into the streets ... ?

Sharon and his cabinet are getting what they want. When the generals talk of the success of failed assassination attempts, they mean that the predictable response from Hamas is what they sought, the excuse to crush the Palestinians further, to crush them until no possibility of an independent state exists any longer. They all want that. They are prepared to see Israeli casualties as fallen soldiers in a war they want, because, of course, they know that they can win at any time.

If there's one thing they haven't thought of -- but why would they? -- it is the rest of us. It is the terrible potential of this conflict to destroy all humanity altogether.

We'll meet again
Don't know where
Don't know when
But I know we'll meet again
Some sunny day ...

Where is Stanley Kubrick now that we really need him?


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lagatta
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posted 11 September 2003 10:57 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Josh, thanks for those articles. I had the same twinge as skdadl, reading about the plans to kill Arafat. Whatever one thinks of Arafat, that would only trigger a cataclysm of violence, as well as leading nobody but the Islamic fundamentalists as spokesmen (sexist language intentional) for the Palestinian cause.

One of my best friends is in Israel right now, visiting his 95-year-old mum. She lives on a left-wing kibbutz in Southern Israel similar to the one targeted by a suicide bomber a while back (my friend knew some of the dead) and still paints. She and all the family left Vienna, a year or so before the Anschluss, knowing what was coming. They travelled to Brazil with memories and a large library of German books, like Stefan Zweig. Almost 30 years later, my friend fled fascist Brazil, and wound up in Paris, after Israel and Austria. The old lady is very sad about current events, and very worried. She has seen a lot, and is very wary of Likud, and the Islamic fundamentalists (old atheist Yekke...).


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posted 11 September 2003 11:56 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Jersalem Post says: "Kill Arafat"

"Kill Arafat". *snort*. How ever-so-fucking productive.

What the hell will this accomplish? Complex sentences and words fail me at this point.


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 12 September 2003 12:43 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Why do the Likudniks insist on pretending that Arafat is the cause of all of this? Arafat isn't even a symptom.

Arafat, and Palestinian nationalists, aren't the cause of Hamas.


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WingNut
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posted 12 September 2003 12:51 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Mr Peres said: "Arafat was not necessarily for a Palestinian government, and you have one. He wasn't necessarily for [Mr Abbas], and you had him. He wasn't necessarily for Fayad [the reformist Palestinian finance minister, Salaam Fayad] ... I remember Arafat didn't want to sign a map, and he signed.

"It's not just one gives orders and the other takes them. There is a real debate in the Palestinian society - we have to understand the nature of the debate that's going on."

Mr Peres noted that Mr Sharon had failed to bolster the road map by meeting commitments or making concessions of the kind that some Palestinian leaders say would have strengthened Mr Abbas and weakened Mr Arafat.

"I thought Sharon would release more prisoners. We promised [to dismantle] the outlawed settlements. In fact, nothing happened. Now we are building a fence that has political repercussions. We said we shall hand over Gaza, but we did not," he said.


Cornered


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Courage
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posted 12 September 2003 01:38 AM      Profile for Courage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by WingNut:

Cornered


Peres does this 'good cop' routine about once every 6 years...


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josh
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posted 12 September 2003 07:54 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by skdadl:
josh, those articles are refreshing indeed because they are intelligent. The second especially is helpful to a North American innocent who doesn't know the political shadings of the debate within Israel all that well.

But they still don't offer much hope, do they? Unless you believe that large numbers of Israelis are willing to come out into the streets ... ?

Sharon and his cabinet are getting what they want. When the generals talk of the success of failed assassination attempts, they mean that the predictable response from Hamas is what they sought, the excuse to crush the Palestinians further, to crush them until no possibility of an independent state exists any longer. They all want that. They are prepared to see Israeli casualties as fallen soldiers in a war they want, because, of course, they know that they can win at any time.

If there's one thing they haven't thought of -- but why would they? -- it is the rest of us. It is the terrible potential of this conflict to destroy all humanity altogether.

We'll meet again
Don't know where
Don't know when
But I know we'll meet again
Some sunny day ...

Where is Stanley Kubrick now that we really need him?


I don't see much hope either at this point. It's hard to get mass uprising going when there's a war going on. The best that can be hoped for is a change in power in Israel and Washington by the end of next year.


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No Yards
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posted 12 September 2003 11:53 AM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
OK, NOW I understand the term "self hating jews" . . . that certainly applies to any Israeli that would support such a self destructive plan!!
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josh
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posted 12 September 2003 12:17 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"Blame Canada." "Kill Arafat." Everybody needs a scapegoat I guess.
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posted 12 September 2003 12:24 PM      Profile for worker_drone        Edit/Delete Post
For obvious reasons, the old standby of "blame the jews" doesn't work for the Israelis. Pity. The Arabs and the Europeans have gotten so much mileage out of it over the years.
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posted 12 September 2003 09:57 PM      Profile for Eauz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Israel draws up plans to remove Arafat

If Arafat must go, shouldn't some of the members of the Israeli government also go? Unless I've been living under a rock for ever, it's not just the reason of Arafat, that people are still fighting over there. And what about other people in the world...?


........ (thinking)..... (bush, Berlusconi...) maybe?


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skdadl
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posted 12 September 2003 10:14 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, Berlusconi -- I think we can count on spontaneous combustion in that case.

Bush, Sharon, and a number of Sharon's nastier ministers -- sigh: if only it were that easy. They aren't going soon or easy, which means that many more will die for their egos.


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worker_drone
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posted 12 September 2003 10:30 PM      Profile for worker_drone        Edit/Delete Post
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If Arafat must go, shouldn't some of the members of the Israeli government also go?

Definitely! Arafat should agree to go on the condition that Sharon go as well. Sharon is as much an obstacle to peace as Arafat is. It should be obvious to anyone that he's incapable of creating a peace with the Palestinians. For the good of everyone concerned he should go.


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WingNut
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posted 12 September 2003 11:50 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I agree. Let's approach the U.N.
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