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Ray Peterson
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posted 21 July 2003 04:15 PM      Profile for Ray Peterson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
arab news

What the f ?


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Mishei
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posted 21 July 2003 04:28 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Mark Glenn is an American and former high school teacher turned writer/commentator.

And vile antisemite.

Ray there was no need to post this article. It is as bad as any filth I have seen in neo-nazi rags.


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posted 21 July 2003 04:29 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Agreed.
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posted 21 July 2003 04:30 PM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Okay, some of it sounds plausible, but this:

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For blackmailing President Clinton through one of your intelligence agents, Monica Lewinsky

and this:
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For using one of your agents in the US Army Weapons Lab, Lt. Col. Philip Zack to steal anthrax and distribute it into our mail system, terrorizing US citizens and killing several in order to blame the Arabs, we bless thee.

and this:
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For using your influence in the media to hide the real statistics about the war, the dead and wounded on both sides, we bless thee.

and this:
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And finally, for using your influence in our media and academia to flood our minds with pornography and lies, as well as inculcating in us a hatred for our history, religion, and culture, for dividing our nation between races and sexes, and for releasing into our society all of your plagues and filth that have left us a rotted out corpse of a once great nation, oh Israel, our friend, we bless thee.

sound a bit far fetched to me

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posted 21 July 2003 04:30 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
As crazy as it may sound. The Mossad's slogan is "By Way of Deception We Shall Wage War". Bet you didn't know that? Although some of the stuff in that article seems unlikely however they are possibily true.

No conspiracy theory intended!


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posted 21 July 2003 04:33 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Mishei:
And vile antisemite.

Ray there was no need to post this article. It is as bad as any filth I have seen in neo-nazi rags.


Why Not? It's better than some of the stuff you post. I found it quite entertaining, didn't you?

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posted 21 July 2003 04:34 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Blind_Patriot:
As crazy as it may sound. The Mossad's slogan is "By Way of Deception We Shall Wage War". Bet you didn't know that? Although some of the stuff in that article seems unlikely however they are possibily true.

No conspiracy theory intended!


The article is vile antisemitism. Anyone who agrees with it or accepts it should count themselves in league with antisemites.

Disgusting filthy racist crap. Im truly shocked that your admonitions are week-kneed. Condemn it as it should be condemned.


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posted 21 July 2003 04:35 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I thought it started out ok.

But then I got to this:

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For blackmailing President Clinton through one of your intelligence agents, Monica Lewinsky, in order to prevent a coherent peace program from being pushed forward between yourself and the Palestinian people that you have brutalized and murdered for the last 50 years, we bless thee.

Ha ha ha ha ha! And from there, it descends into the conspiracy-think abyss.

Anyone know who runs this site?


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posted 21 July 2003 04:36 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Mishei:
The article is vile antisemitism. Anyone who agrees with it or accepts it should count themselves in league with antisemites.

Disgusting filthy racist crap. Im truly shocked that your admonitions are week-kneed. Condemn it as it should be condemned.


I feel like I'm walking right into a Mishei trap. I will not condem it nor' will I applaud it. You have to admit that some of it is crap and some are facts. plain and simple.

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posted 21 July 2003 04:36 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Blind_Patriot:
As crazy as it may sound. The Mossad's slogan is "By Way of Deception We Shall Wage War". Bet you didn't know that? Although some of the stuff in that article seems unlikely however they are possibily true.

No conspiracy theory intended!


Why would I need to know the Mossad's slogan?

As for the rest of it, theoretical possibility is hardly any basis of proof.


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posted 21 July 2003 04:42 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by paxamillion:

Why would I need to know the Mossad's slogan?

As for the rest of it, theoretical possibility is hardly any basis of proof.


quote:
$16,000,000,000.00 a year for the last 4 decades
true.
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For employing Jonathan Pollard, an American serviceman paid to spy for Israel in order to steal even more of our National Security secrets for your parasitic purposes, we bless thee
true.
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For using us in such a way that not only further inflames the Arab world against us, but as well has succeeded in our alienating ourselves against those nations with whom we have been friendly for over a century, we bless thee.
true.

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posted 21 July 2003 04:43 PM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Mishei:
Im truly shocked that your admonitions are week-kneed. Condemn it as it should be condemned.

Judged not by what we say, but by what we don't say.

Lovely, next time I comment on an article I'll have to remember my crystal ball, I think it's under my bed gathering dust.


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Ray Peterson
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posted 21 July 2003 04:49 PM      Profile for Ray Peterson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Ray there was no need to post this article. It is as bad as any filth I have seen in neo-nazi rags

Mishei, please don't be upset. I think it's very important to post something like this. First off, it was in the arab news. People have to ask, why would they put such a disgusting piece of work on their website ? Secondly, it shows the true colours of some people. Such as Blind Patriot

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I found it quite entertaining, didn't you?

What is so entertaining about it ?


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posted 21 July 2003 04:54 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
xrcguy, my apologies I was not referring to you but come on folks...can you not put your animosity aside for a moment to see antisemitism staring you in the face?

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For using your influence in the media to hide the real statistics about the war, the dead and wounded on both sides, we bless thee.

For using us in such a way that not only further inflames the Arab world against us, but as well has succeeded in our alienating ourselves against those nations with whom we have been friendly for over a century, we bless thee.

And finally, for using your influence in our media and academia to flood our minds with pornography and lies, as well as inculcating in us a hatred for our history, religion, and culture, for dividing our nation between races and sexes, and for releasing into our society all of your plagues and filth that have left us a rotted out corpse of a once great nation, oh Israel, our friend, we bless thee.


This prick is engaging in the worst kind of antisemitic rhetoric I have seen in a long long tiime. Its all there. media control, spreading plagues, corrupting society. This shit would be a violation of our hate laws for god sake.

And you Blind-Patriot, you are prepared to make jokes and suggest its OK. If ever there was a time to say SHAME it is now. This is racist neo-nazi crap. Anyone who thinks its OK MUST count themselves as much as a racist as Glenn and other racist types who spread the same garbage like David Duke, Mark Lane, Ernzt Zundel....

And Ray, yes I do see what you mean.

[ 21 July 2003: Message edited by: Mishei ]


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posted 21 July 2003 04:57 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Mishei, please don't be upset. I think it's very important to post something like this. First off, it was in the arab news. People have to ask, why would they put such a disgusting piece of work on their website ? Secondly, it shows the true colours of some people. Such as Blind Patriot
Ah, I see this thread is going to be about Mishei's feelings again, isin't it? Poor Mishei. Ray, I really think you a presumptuous on your part, for it shows your quick and unsubstantiated assumptions due to your blindness and ignorance.

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posted 21 July 2003 05:01 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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And you Blind-Patriot, you are prepared to make jokes and suggest its OK. If ever there was a time to say SHAME it is now. This is racist neo-nazi crap. Anyone who thinks its OK MUST count themselves as much as a racist as Glenn and other racist types who spread the same garbage like David Duke, Mark Lane, Ernzt Zundel....


What is wrong with your people? You think I support everything that the guy says? 80% of the stuff he says is bullshit. Just because I agree on a couple of points you want to start a anti-semite bashing session on me you coward. You say this "Anyone who thinks its OK MUST count themselves as much as a racist as Glenn and other racist types who..." WHat's that? the politically correct way to call me a racist while conforming to babble policy. Shame on you.

[ 21 July 2003: Message edited by: Blind_Patriot ]


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We have been through this again and again about Arab anti-Semitism. Do we need to do it again? Fact is, many Arabs do believe some of these sorts of things, regardless of who is writing or publishing it. This is entirely contingent on the present Situation.

That's it. What else can we learn from this that we haven't already?


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posted 21 July 2003 05:03 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
For the most part I'e heard wilder and more outragious accusations against Canada from certain other Americans . . . more conspiricy theory than racism!!
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posted 21 July 2003 05:03 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Blind_Patriot:
Ah, I see this thread is going to be about Mishei's feelings again, isin't it? Poor Mishei. Ray, I really think you a presumptuous on your part, for it shows your quick and unsubstantiated assumptions due to your blindness and ignorance.
No, this is about people who support antisemitic garbage....more like you.

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posted 21 July 2003 05:07 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Blind_Patriot:
What is wrong with your people? You think I support everything that the guy says? 80% of the stuff he says is bullshit. Just because I agree on a couple of points you want to start a anti-semite bashing session on me you coward. You say this "Anyone who thinks its OK MUST count themselves as much as a racist as Glenn and other racist types who..." WHat's that? the politically correct way to call me a racist while conforming to babble policy. Shame on you.

[ 21 July 2003: Message edited by: Blind_Patriot ]



Shame on me huh? Well here is what you said:


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Why Not? It's better than some of the stuff you post. I found it quite entertaining, didn't you?

So you find antisemitism entertaining huh? Nuff said?


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posted 21 July 2003 05:11 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Mishei:
No, this is about people who support antisemitic garbage....more like you.

Mishei, unlike you. I can sit back and say... yes that's a FACT! Your problem is that you cannot face facts. Nevermind your antisemetic buddies, i support facts! plain and simple facts! I don't care if it came out of a horses ass, but if it's a fact... it's a fact. Here's a tissue.

You support IDF terrorist. And boast about they're garbage here. Shame on you.


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posted 21 July 2003 05:14 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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So you find antisemitism entertaining huh? Nuff said?
You are twisting my words little one. Entertaining in terms of some of the BS posted. But your quick to Judge aren't you? I think that warrants an apology.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blind_Patriot:
You are twisting my words little one. Entertaining in terms of some of the BS posted. But your quick to Judge aren't you? I think that warrants an apology.
You first. I quoted your words exactly. If you can't make yourself clear that is your problem.

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posted 21 July 2003 05:30 PM      Profile for Ray Peterson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
As crazy as it may sound. The Mossad's slogan is "By Way of Deception We Shall Wage War". Bet you didn't know that? Although some of the stuff in that article seems unlikely however they are possibily true.

Tell us, if you will, what stuff in the article is possibly true ? We saw already what you think is true, but show us what is, how you put, possibly true.

[ 21 July 2003: Message edited by: Ray Peterson ]


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posted 21 July 2003 05:32 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Mishei:
You first. I quoted your words exactly. If you can't make yourself clear that is your problem.
You were quick accuse me of being anti-semetic, when I was laughing about what Glenn had written, and you have trouble reading between lines. I had no intention to offend you, however you did offend me.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ray Peterson:

Tell us, if you will, what stuff in the article is possibly true ? We saw already what you think is true, but show us what is, how you put, possibly true.

[ 21 July 2003: Message edited by: Ray Peterson ]


Ray, I leave my mind open and not take anything I know or have learned from TV news, as final. That's all. What we know now is mainstream and current. I bet you and Mishei believed Bush, didn't you's? But the news changed. For those who kept an open mind, surely didn't feel as stupid as the ones that didn't.

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posted 21 July 2003 05:40 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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I bet you and Mishei believed Bush, didn't you's
Believe Bush about what?

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posted 21 July 2003 05:42 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Mishei:
Believe Bush about what?

The uranium fiasco.


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quote:
Originally posted by Blind_Patriot:
You were quick accuse me of being anti-semetic, when I was laughing about what Glenn had written, and you have trouble reading between lines. I had no intention to offend you, however you did offend me.
The offence is yours. There was no reading between the lines when you say:

quote:
Why Not? It's better than some of the stuff you post. I found it quite entertaining, didn't you?

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quote:
Originally posted by Blind_Patriot:

The uranium fiasco.



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quote:
Originally posted by Mishei:
You first. I quoted your words exactly. If you can't make yourself clear that is your problem.

I'm going to remember this. Oh yes, this is going in my back pocket for another day....


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quote:
Originally posted by Courage:

I'm going to remember this. Oh yes, this is going in my back pocket for another day....


OOOOOOOOOO Im rally scared..."this is going in my back pocket for another day"...OOOOOOOOO


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So much name calling on this thread. So much animosity. Tsk, tsk.
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posted 21 July 2003 06:25 PM      Profile for Ray Peterson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
BP, I see it's going to be hard to get any straight answers from you. I'll try anyways. What do you believe is the purpose of a site to put something like this up ? & Why do you think the guy "Mark Glenn" wrote this ?
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Are you only concerned about Arab racism Ray? I don't recall you linking anbd or condemning any Zionist racism. But I assume you are as equally concerned about that. Like this page, http://www.masada2000.org/kahane.html, for instance. Are you concerned about that? Would you like to address it?
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quote:
Originally posted by Ray Peterson:
BP, I see it's going to be hard to get any straight answers from you. I'll try anyways. What do you believe is the purpose of a site to put something like this up ? & Why do you think the guy "Mark Glenn" wrote this ?
The site is hosting his article, and that's they're perogative, and I think it doesn't help the cause much by doing it, however desperation can have stupid affects. Nice site Courage! What do you think about that site Ray and Mishei?

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quote:
Originally posted by WingNut:
Are you only concerned about Arab racism Ray? I don't recall you linking anbd or condemning any Zionist racism. But I assume you are as equally concerned about that. Like this page, http://www.masada2000.org/kahane.html, for instance. Are you concerned about that? Would you like to address it?
Wing aren't you always telling me not to bring extraneous issues into a focused discussion?

If you believe that the site you linked has racist elements then start a thread to deal with it.

BTW although I am loath to engage in thread drift, the site is racist. Kahane was a racist and thankfully he and his followers were banned from the Knesseth for their racist and hateful views.

[ 21 July 2003: Message edited by: Mishei ]


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I don't think I've ever done that Mishei.

I am glad you agree it is racist. But there are members of the Knesset today who hold similar views. But that is not the point.

Rather, the point it to display the fultility of this thread. It would be possible to go back and forth forever detailing one groups racist attitudes towards the other. How does that help with anything? On the contrary, I believe the only purpose of such a thread is to harden attitudes as we can witness through the course of this thread.

[ 21 July 2003: Message edited by: WingNut ]


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posted 21 July 2003 08:04 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Good God.

First of all, I tried to link to the article that started this thread and it appears to have been taken down. Secondly, I don't see much point in continuing with the flame war so I'm closing the thread. It was obviously not started with the intention of having a discussion, and it sure isn't ending this way either. There's enough hostility in this forum without this.


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