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clockwork
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posted 27 June 2003 05:01 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
On the other hand, if the rabbis of Yesha think
that political issues should be addressed in
light of halakha, let them at least be
consistent about it. The most problematic
aspect of their decisions this week is the fact
that their opposition to the road map and the
evacuation of outposts and settlements is
couched in the most radical halakhic terms:
Anyone who has the power to prevent the
implementation of the road map but does not is
guilty of "standing idly by the blood of one's
neighbor" - a pronouncement almost as extreme
as the "law of the pursuer" (din rodef) invoked
on the eve of Rabin's murder.

On rabbis and politics

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Courage
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posted 27 June 2003 05:29 PM      Profile for Courage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by clockwork:

On rabbis and politics

And here I thought all the 'religious extremists' were on the Other side. Wouldn't you know it, there are unenlightened barbarian bigots everywhere!


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redshift
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posted 27 June 2003 05:54 PM      Profile for redshift     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
holy war, blood on blood
and where are all YOUR tactical nuclear weapons?
anybody wanna bet on dates for the armageddon yet?
the resilience , as well as the sudden resurgence of deadly resistance must scare the entire american-israeli power structure shitless. look for increased us of unmanned drones like predator. they also have a remote 4-wheel weapons platform , complete with night vision laser-sighted aiming and electric stealth drive.
no blood on the hands. the american way.

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redshift
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posted 27 June 2003 06:01 PM      Profile for redshift     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
and who are these women?
"Israel is near the top of the
list in countries that trade in women - the
modern-day equivalent of the slave trade."
http://tinyurl.com/fgln

and hypocrites among the people.
http://tinyurl.com/fgq1

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Justice
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posted 27 June 2003 07:14 PM      Profile for Justice     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Israel far from perfect no denial perhaps if it weren't so busy defending it self from external threats it could better deal with it's internal problems. Yet still since many such papers have been published in the last couple years and there has been external pressure from many countries especially north American and European Israel has made drastic advances in reducing this problem. It is not something that is sponsored or encourage by its government. In fact a couple years ago a top Minster named Mordaci was convicted of sexual assault and he even considered running for PM.

If you want to really talk about human rights abuses and slavery in the mid-east look at Arab countries like Sudan or Pakistan there you'll see much worse cases of not on abuse and trade in human but many children that are used for labor and as soldiers.

[B] See that’s the world's real problem everybody looks to blaming someone else for their problems instead of trying to fix there own. There could have been peace and everybody could have been happy long ago if everyone took care of themselves [B]


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majorvictory
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posted 27 June 2003 07:18 PM      Profile for majorvictory     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Running the snipers' gauntlet in the West Bank's frontier of hate

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The political clout of Israel's settlers far outweighs their numbers

By Ed O'Loughlin

06/27/03: (Sydney Morning Herald) Sitting in his trailer home in the Jewish settlement outpost of Harasha, a few kilometres west of Ramallah in the West Bank, Karmi Grabovsky picks up a small black book and taps it with his finger.

"This," he says, "is the Bible. In the Bible God says Israel is for the Jews. The Palestinians are of a lower order. If we make mistakes or don't go by God's law then God gives the country to the Palestinians, like now when they [the Government] want to give our country away ... We've never learnt from the mistakes of the past."

Mr Grabovsky, a teacher, drives each working day to his primary school in the nearby settlement of Bet El along roads stalked by Palestinian snipers.

The 30-year-old is married with two children. "I decided to come here because of ... the intifada," he says. "It's for Israel. Whether it's here or there, I go where Israel needs me."

His neighbour is Joshua Wiseman, 31, a Californian who migrated to Israel 13 years ago after embracing orthodox Judaism. This week his mother, Barbara, was visiting from the United States.

"I don't really talk to him much about religion," she says, playing with a grandchild. "We are more Reform Jews in our family."

Her son now studies fulltime in a small yeshiva, or Jewish theological school, in another outpost of the settlement. He travels back and forth with a M16.

"The whole idea of the Jewish people being in this land is to bring about the redemption of the world," he explains.

"When the Jewish people are fortified and solidified and unified in their land we can continue our mission of teaching the world the basic principles of our morality and our God."

This is the creed of the religious Zionists who dominate Israel's far-right settler movement. According to their reading of the Bible, the Messiah cannot come to redeem humanity until the Biblical state of Israel is recreated between the Mediterranean and the river Jordan - some say between the Euphrates and the Nile.



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Justice
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posted 27 June 2003 07:23 PM      Profile for Justice     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Please stop focusing on the settlers they are hardly a good represent the true feeling of Israeli's they are fanatics and should be dealt the same way as terrorists.

Here take a look at this this may make you a bit more optomistic. Or is it true what I said this won't be enough???

How to make peace

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