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Mishei
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posted 20 June 2003 09:02 AM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Israel remains, despite attempts by many here to claim otherwise, the only democratic and open society in the Middle East.

Where else in this tortured area of the world can the Gay community celebrate their sexuality...Rammalah, Cairo, Tehran, Damascus?

While Israel and the PA continue to try to find a path to peace, let us remember that Israel remains the beacon of hope for all states to emulate in the area.

Israel celebrates Gay Pride


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Michelle
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posted 20 June 2003 09:12 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That's interesting. I had heard in the past that Israeli society was quite intolerant of homosexuality, and it was quite nice to see I was wrong.

I found this article on a quick google search. Despite some reprehensible homophobic comments from the mayor of Jerusalem at the time, most of the article compares Israel favourably with the US when it comes to legal rights for same sex couples. And this is a 5 year-old article too, so I'm sure things have likely improved even more since then.


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majorvictory
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posted 20 June 2003 09:12 AM      Profile for majorvictory     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Gay Israel: No Pride In Occupation

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It would be unbearable to simply sit with the Prime Minister and on behalf of our minority ignore the human rights of others, including what's been happening here in relation to Palestine for the past year — roadblocks, prevention of access to medical care, assassinations, and implementation of an apartheid policy in the territories and in Israel.

The struggle for our rights is worthless if it's indifferent to what's happening to people a kilometer from here.

We're fighting for equality, but if we do it at the price of collaborating with an oppressive and discriminatory establishment, then we're no better than the millions of other Israelis who've already chosen to become hardened and indifferent to the suffering of the other, of the enemy, even if the other is an Israeli citizen, even if she is a pregnant woman, even if it's a child on her way to school. It's sufficient for the other to be an Arab to justify, in the eyes of the Jewish majority, almost any humiliation and violence.

How can a human being, especially if they're gay or lesbian, remain silent in the face of such a reality? In so many places, at so many times, it's been enough for the other to be gay or lesbian, or transsexual, in order to justify humiliation and violence. Racism is racism is racism. Indifference to suffering and humiliation of another person because he's "different" is a racist act. And now gays and lesbians will express through this meeting our indifference to this racism, our readiness to remain silent and collaborate with the Prime Minister of a country that oppresses, discriminates, and humiliates.



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posted 20 June 2003 09:19 AM      Profile for majorvictory     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Gay Israelis give Palestinians unexpected support

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Like a lot of gay Israelis, Svika Korman is tired of thinking about the bloodshed and the unending conflict with the Palestinians – especially since he thinks the Palestinians are right.

"I'm against the occupation, I'm against oppression of any kind," says the 39-year-old theater director, gazing out over the crashing waves of the Mediterranean at a seaside nightclub in his diamond earrings and strings of beads.

"We have to understand each other and love each other," he says, struggling to be heard over the relentless thump of techno music. "But I'm tired of thinking about it. I just want to have fun and enjoy myself."

Tel Aviv, a beach resort far removed from the conservatism of Jerusalem, is the center of Israel's gay life, and many here deplore Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, whom they believe have a right to get their land back.

"The settlers should come home and let the Palestinians get on with starting their own state," says Shana Winokur, who took part in last week's Gay Pride march here with a group calling itself No Pride in the Occupation.



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Coming Out Against the Israeli Occupation

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Coming out against the occupation is terrifying for people. Nobody had been talking about it for years, and if you tell the wrong person that you oppose the occupation, you can get any response, from rage to disgust. Anti-occupation work has strained a lot of our family relationships. And Jews who you'd think are fairly progressive — who have worked on labor issues, or civil rights — come down unconditionally on the side of Israel. It's like people have no Jewish identity outside of Israel, and can't tolerate seeing any imperfections. You want to shake them and say "Remember Yiddish? Remember the Diaspora? Remember the ideal of Jewish morality and commitment to justice?"

Another reason I got involved was that I've personally profited from the occupation as a kid visiting Israel — eating delicious food grown on stolen land with stolen water, lounging at stolen beaches, rooting myself down in beautiful land (Israel/Palestine is unbelievably gorgeous) that Palestinians can't live on anymore, and enjoying the security of my Israeli family's relative wealth, which is certainly protected by the occupation. I had a very visceral need to go there and try to undo some of that damage.

I could be a Jewish, American body standing between a Palestinian and a zombified 20-year-old Israeli kid with a rifle. My baby cousin is a tank unit commander in the West Bank right now, raiding houses, apparently. What would he do, or any of his friends, if they saw me standing in front of their gun? Nothing. They'd be forced to act as human beings instead of soldiers.

What is at the heart of the occupation?

The Israeli government has carefully painted the occupation as a war between Jews and Arabs, but it really is a war of colonization. That's why its essential for the world, and Palestinians, to see Jews working against the occupation. It's essential to debunk the idea that this is a race war if there's ever going to be peace. I wanted to break that down.

My grandmother was a "pioneer" (that's what they called it), a young Jew whose family had fled Eastern Europe and gone to America, and who came to Palestine in the 1930s to make a place for Jews like herself to come home to, to come to live and work, not at the expense of Palestinians, but alongside them. I think that's how the project was described to her by the Zionist movement. She didn't come to build a state.



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Mishei
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posted 20 June 2003 10:59 AM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Leave it to the anti-Israel haters here to take a good news story and find a way to thread drift such that Israel becomes the villain.

Im not surprised yet it does prove my ongoing thesis that there remains a very purposeful attempt by many on Babble to demonize Israel.


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Michelle
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posted 20 June 2003 11:06 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Mishei, I understand how you feel, but your first post was confrontational and practically dared people to oppose you. And so you got what you asked for - opposition. I mean, really, with the tone you used, what did you expect?

Oh, and btw, what MV has posted is definitely NOT thread drift. It was you who juxtaposed Israel's tolerance for homosexuality with them being a "beacon of hope" for the region. MV was well within the scope of the thread by posting gay pride organizations in Israel who disagree with your stance.

[ 20 June 2003: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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evenflow
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posted 20 June 2003 11:09 AM      Profile for evenflow        Edit/Delete Post
Thank you Michelle.
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Briguy
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posted 20 June 2003 11:33 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Mishei, not everyone who disagrees with Israeli policies towards Palestinians is an antisemite, or even (to use your new, sanitized, plausibly deniable phrase) an "anti-Israel hater". Some actually think Israel is just dandy, once they look away from the brutality of the IDF and Likud. The problem exposed here is that it is hard to look away from such a blight, no matter what goodness (or beauty) surrounds it.

I read all of the articles posted above (yes, even yours), and I saw no hatred. I did sense an overwhelming theme of disappointment.

[ 20 June 2003: Message edited by: Sarcasmobri ]


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Black Dog
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posted 20 June 2003 11:33 AM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Leave it to the anti-Israel haters here to take a good news story and find a way to thread drift such that Israel becomes the villain.
Im not surprised yet it does prove my ongoing thesis that there remains a very purposeful attempt by many on Babble to demonize Israel.

And I'm sure there was no political motivation behind your initial post at all, eh, Mishei?

The fact that Israel continues to colonize stolen land and oppress others based on race is a black mark on its record that no amount of tolerance towards its own citizens can disguise or conceal.


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Mishei
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posted 20 June 2003 11:50 AM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Michelle:
Mishei, I understand how you feel, but your first post was confrontational and practically dared people to oppose you. And so you got what you asked for - opposition. I mean, really, with the tone you used, what did you expect?

Oh, and btw, what MV has posted is definitely NOT thread drift. It was you who juxtaposed Israel's tolerance for homosexuality with them being a "beacon of hope" for the region. MV was well within the scope of the thread by posting gay pride organizations in Israel who disagree with your stance.

[ 20 June 2003: Message edited by: Michelle ]



I expect that anti-Israel haters will use whatever they can to continue to disparage the Jewish state in order to promote their anti-Israel agenda.

BTW Scars, being anti-Israel does not mean you are antisemitic. By continuing to claim that is my intent by using this phrase you are lying...being dishonest...manipulative...and of course putting YOUR WORDS into my mouth. Please stop.

[ 20 June 2003: Message edited by: Mishei ]


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Ray Peterson
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posted 20 June 2003 11:57 AM      Profile for Ray Peterson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I found this with a quick search :

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the torment of gays is very nearly official Palestinian policy. "The persecution of gays in the Palestinian Authority [P.A.] doesn't just come from the families or the Islamic groups but from the P.A. itself.... Because the world hasn't forced the P.A. to tolerate gays, Palestinian homosexuals are increasingly seeking refuge in the only regional territory that does: Israel.


vancouver indymedia


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4t2
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posted 20 June 2003 12:01 PM      Profile for 4t2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
There are gay Israelis with all sorts of views on the Israel-Palestine issue(s). Just like among Israelis generally and gay people generally. No one side 'owns' them. If anything, it illustrates the complexity of what's going on in the Middle East...despite the attempts of the National Post on one side (where if you hate public broadcasting and feminists in equal proportions, you are a friend of Israel) and armchair revolutionaries (the type that shout viva castro! viva pflp! at the TV and think Hamas are good socialists), it will and never will be a case of the right-wing fascist Israeli Orthodox Jews and the Communist violent Palestinian Muslims, as their respective opponents would portray them. Personally I think it's helpful to be reminded of the fact that the world thrives on grey areas, seeming contradictions and defiance of convention.
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No Yards
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posted 20 June 2003 12:33 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What exactly is the label "anti-Israel haters" suppose to imply??

By what standard do you use to determine who gets labeled with this new "politically correct" brand??

Is that a label that is suppose to mean something specific, or is it simply one of those "kinder and gentler" forms of labeling someone as spreading hate speech, and a new strategy in an effort to prevent debate on the Israel/Palestine issue??

Does any critisim of Israel make you eligible for inclusion into the "anti-Israel haters" club?? Or is there a level of Israeli critism that needs to be reached (is it like disagree with 2 out of 10 Israeli policies and you qualify as an "anti-Israel hater"?)

Is it equally "politically correct" to label someone an "anti-Palestian hater" if they disagree with Palestinian policies??


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Mishei
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posted 20 June 2003 12:44 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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What exactly is the label "anti-Israel haters" suppose to imply??
Well for me those who would consistantly engage in using Nazi imagery in relation to Israel and continue in this way to demonize Israel are anti-Israel haters.

Those who find any and all excuses to focus their venom on Israel without fairly looking at the positives within Israeli society are anti-Israel haters.

[ 20 June 2003: Message edited by: Mishei ]


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 20 June 2003 12:48 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Double negatives are so confusing....
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Meowful
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posted 20 June 2003 12:53 PM      Profile for Meowful   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ok, let me see if I've got this straight....

Anti: meaning against

so, "Anti-Isreal" would be "against Isreal"

so, "Anti-Isreal-hater" would be someone who hates those who are "against Isreal".

an "Anti-anti-Isreal"!

Did I get it??


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No Yards
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posted 20 June 2003 12:55 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sounds to me like that's just another "politically correct" term for anti-semite!! You just replaced "Jews" with Israel!!

Where exactly do you draw a line between "anti-Israel hater" and "anti-semitic"??

Also, when someone posts articles about a group of Israelis that oppose the Israeli government, that can, and should, be considered as in support of Israel . . . Israeli does not just mean you support what the government does without question.

Taking up the cause of one group of Israelis over the cause of another group of Israelis does not make you an "anti-Israel hater" . . . it makes you part of a democratic dialouge . . . Labeling people with disgusting and hateful "brands", is NOT!!

We have 4 major political parties in Canada that consistantly disagree with our governments policies, does that make them all "anti-Canadian haters"?? The USA has of consistantly disagreed with many, if not all, recent Canadian policies . . . are they "anti-Canadian haters"??


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No Yards
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posted 20 June 2003 12:59 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think we should label him an "anti-anti-Israeli hater" . . . or maybe exactly the opposite . . . I'm so confused!!
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Meowful
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posted 20 June 2003 01:01 PM      Profile for Meowful   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm not "anti-anybody"...

But I am an "Aunty"


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 20 June 2003 01:02 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Double negatives are so confusing....

They aren't not!


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posted 20 June 2003 01:11 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I would like to take this opportunity to not suppress my unqualified opposition to not supporting the obviously not inconsiderable efforts of all anti-anti-racism activists everywhere.

Thank you.


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'lance
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posted 20 June 2003 01:20 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Thank you.

No, ronb.

Thank you.


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Briguy
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posted 20 June 2003 01:28 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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BTW Scars, being anti-Israel does not mean you are antisemitic. By continuing to claim that is my intent by using this phrase you are lying...being dishonest...manipulative...and of course putting YOUR WORDS into my mouth. Please stop.

I don't think that I will. Everyone can read between lines, and it's extremely dishonest to use innuendo to imply certain characteristics to a group of posters, and then to deny the meaning of your statements five minutes later. I'm not dealing with the isolated phrase "anti-Israel hater". I'm talking about posts where you link to fallacious articles claiming that the left is turning antisemitic. I'm talking about posts where you begin or end with "I find this quite telling...". There are no words being put in your mouth that aren't already sitting on the tip of your tongue.


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Michelle
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posted 20 June 2003 01:41 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Okay! Let's not continue here.

I made a lovely, special new thread just for metadiscussions like these ones. Take it there, oh please oh please oh please.

And let's get back to Israel's Gay Pride, whether you want to celebrate the fact that Israel is open enough to have Gay Pride, or whether you want to highlight the fact that there are quite a few Israeli gays who are forming Pride organizations against the occupation.


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Mishei
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posted 20 June 2003 01:46 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Taken to Michelle's thread

[ 20 June 2003: Message edited by: Mishei ]


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Black Dog
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Well you are wrong. And to help those who are semantically confused I agree that the more proper term should be Israel-haters.

"Israel haters": is that in the same vein as being "anti-American"? In other words a term so vague and nebulous as to be completely meaningless.


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Mishei
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quote:
Originally posted by black_dog:

"Israel haters": is that in the same vein as being "anti-American"? In other words a term so vague and nebulous as to be completely meaningless.



Nice of you to totally disregard Michelle's request.

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Mishei, Michelle can do her job just fine.

Anyway, does anybody know if the Israel gay/lesbian/etc organizations put cool rainbow colors inside the Star of David or something?

(I've seen Canadian variants of this concept, where the maple leaf gets colored in with a rainbow and stuff)


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Mishei
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posted 20 June 2003 11:49 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by DrConway:
[QB]Mishei, Michelle can do her job just fine.

QB]


Nothing to do with the way Michelle does her job. I am voicing my opinion or is that not OK anymore?

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In an unsigned statement sent to the Hebrew daily Maariv, Kach condemned the Jerusalem municipality's participation in hanging the flags.

"It's disgraceful that gay pride flags should be flown in Jerusalem, particularly when there is an ultra-Orthodox mayor," the statement said. "We will not permit the Jewish character of the city to be undermined."


Hey, I couldn't resist.

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Also on parade, politics: an Israeli gay and lesbian splinter group known as the Black Laundry waved triangular placards pleading "Free condoms, free Palestine."

here and queer


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Leave it to the anti-Israel haters here to take a good news story and find a way to thread drift such that Israel becomes the villain.

Leave it to the Likud apologist to take any good news story, no matter how irrelevant, and find a way to use it to suggest that Israel is exclusively a beacon of hope and justice - in other words, such that Israel becomes the victim.

And then to get offended when people point out that all the gay pride parades in the world will not make the anti-Arab discrimination OR the occupation disappear.

quote:

Im not surprised yet it does prove my ongoing thesis that there remains a very purposeful attempt by many on Babble to demonize Israel.

And just why do you think "many on Babble" want to do this, Mishei? What's our motivation? I'd really like to know. It gets so dark here in the ignorance we all share, without the brilliance of your sole light, the healing glow of your intellect. I don't want to be an anti-Israel hater. Teach me how to be an anti-anti-Israel hater-hater.

By the way, your statement reminds me of the classic Western colonialist argument - that thievery, violence and exploitation are acceptable in our case because we are better than those savages we've taken over. "We are better than they are" is a pretty shitty excuse for mistreating people, if you ask me, which of course you wouldn't, I being a mere single-negative user and not The Sole Light In The Darkness (or should I say the Sole Non-Non-Light in the Non-Non-Darkness) as you are.

[ 22 June 2003: Message edited by: Smith ]


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Come on. This was already taken care of earlier in the thread, and I even made a brand new thread in rabble reactions to discuss this whole thing so that this thread wouldn't be taken off course. Could we please stop bickering and sniping at each other over this issue?

And Mishei, while I appreciate the support, Doc is kind of right, you know? There's no need to admonish people on my behalf. That just gets people's backs up. But thank you for taking your part of the side-debate to the other thread. I appreciate it, and I really wish others would follow suit.


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No Yards
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What I'd like Mishei to explain is, how is it that when someone takes the side of Gay Israelis over the homophobic Israelis, they become "anti-Israeli haters"??

Which segments of Israeli society are we not allowed to speak out against without being labeled as racists?

Which segments of Israeli society are we not allowed to support without gaining the same anti-Israel haters label?

Why, when an article about Israeli gay pride is discussed, it turns out that anyone actually discussing the subject of treatment of gays in Israel are "vilified" as hating Israel!!

Mishei wants to be able to print one article, claim it proves Israel is a tollerant society, then cut off any debate on the subject!!

Personally I think Smith has hit the nail on the head with the "Likud apologist" label . . . as someone who would attempt to prevent any debate on the isues of Israeli society, does not sound like much of a supporter a free and democratic Israel to me!!


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Mishei
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posted 22 June 2003 10:57 AM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
WWe are talking about gay rights in Israel If you wish to discuss Israeli policy in the Settlements, or the road map there are many other threads to do so.
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Israelis plead for 3 gay Palestinians' lives

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Three gay Palestinians, arrested about a month ago for being in Israel illegally, are to be deported back to the territories despite pleas from civil rights groups that the action would mean "certain death."

The Association for Civil Rights in Israel and the Association of Homosexuals and Lesbians have written to Interior Minister Avraham Poraz, asking him to use his authority to at least postpone the deportation until the three can find a European country ready to accept them as asylum seekers.

But Poraz's office has refused to get involved, citing sensitive security issues, said gay activist Shaul Gonen.

Gonen called Poraz's position surprising because the minister is known for his liberal views. His Shinui party had promised to help the homosexual community during the last election campaign.

"There's real reason to fear for their lives if they are sent back to the territories," said Gonen.



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Mishei
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This is sad and unacceptable and I would ask those interested to wtite to the Israeli Consulate in Toronto to express your concerns.
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posted 22 June 2003 01:56 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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"It's disgraceful that gay pride flags should be flown in Jerusalem, particularly when there is an ultra-Orthodox mayor," the statement said. "We will not permit the Jewish character of the city to be undermined."

I've seen that "Jewish character" line used around babble with some frequency.

Can anyone explain what Kach means by this?

Anyone?


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quote:
Originally posted by DrConway:
Anyway, does anybody know if the Israel gay/lesbian/etc organizations put cool rainbowcolors inside the Star of David or something?

(I've seen Canadian variants of this concept, where the maple leaf gets colored in with a rainbow and stuff)


Here ya go Doc...


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DrConway
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posted 22 June 2003 07:12 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ooh, Pretty.
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Idris Hasan
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posted 23 June 2003 06:35 PM      Profile for Idris Hasan     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
An Islamic variant of the rainbow colours may be found at http://www.al-fatiha.net where crescent and star are superimposed on the rainbow flag. I think it is important to note that from a strict historical perspective, Muslim cultures over the centuries have been incredibly tolerant of same-sex sexual desire, even celebrating it in poetry and art. Current attitudes towards "homosexuals" within various local communities of Muslims both here and abroad, have been negatively influenced by misunderstandings and misapprehensions, often rooted in colonialist definitions of "morality."
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Blind_Patriot
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posted 24 June 2003 01:03 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Open Society
Open arm to even Arabs? Or just gays?
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Leave it to the anti-Israel haters here to take a good news story and find a way to thread drift such that Israel becomes the villain.
Mishie, to debate this this "open society" should be expected. You always continue to bring the good things to light... and thank you. However, you fail to critizize Israels policies especially when it comes to the Palestinian issues. Maybe all the Palestinians should turn gay, and then they will be accepted into Israeli open society.

Also I find interesting to call someone an anti-Israeli Hater instead of anti-semite or anti-jewish. You probably mean the same thing, however if that's how you like to label someone for critizising Israel polocies as a nation, is fine. Does that mean that Israel has freedom of religion and equal rights for all citizens, including gays?

Is there a such thing as a right wing gay zionist?


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majorvictory
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posted 01 July 2003 10:47 AM      Profile for majorvictory     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Israel's Justice Minister Calls For Gay Civil Rights Law

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Tel Aviv, Israel) In a speech marking the start of Gay Pride celebrations in Tel Aviv Friday, Justice Minister Yosef Lapid called for equal rights for gays and lesbians.

Lapid told several thousand people at a rally in Rabin square before the traditional Pride Parade that it is time for all of the country's parties to come together to provide basic human rights to the country's gay community.

Hundreds of marchers then set off under the watchful eyes of some 700 policemen and civil guards. Parts of Tel Aviv were closed off for several hours as the parade wound its way to the . the Yehoshua Park for a celebration.

The parade was condemned by the Yesha Council of Rabbis, who described it as "shameful, and bowing to the inferior culture of ancient Greece, as depicted in Plato's Symposium."



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