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WingNut
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posted 29 May 2003 05:33 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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On May 2 influential Mullah Murtada Sadr, son of an ayatollah famously murdered under Saddam, called for Sharia law in Iraq. "The banning of alcohol and the wearing of the veil should be spread to all and not only to Muslims," Sadr told followers in Kufa, near Najaf. "Alcohol and the display of a woman's body are forbidden for us Muslims, as they are for Christians, upon whom I call to give up these banned things." In Baghdad Imam Mohammed al-Fartussi upped the ante on May 16, threatening those who show "indecent films" and "sinful women" who consort with foreigners, especially Americans. "If in a week from now they do not change their attitude, the murder of these women is sanctioned (by Islam)," Fartussi raged. "This warning also goes out to sellers of alcohol, radios and televisions. The torching of cinemas would be permitted."

Shiite militias that control Baghdad's vast Sadr City slum are already enforcing the mullahs' diktats. Sheik Kadhem al-Fartusi, who asserts that "Islam and all religions forbid alcohol," runs a local gang that beats liquor vendors and men who refuse to grow beards. "He's the primary shaker and mover here," U.S. Special Operations Maj. Arthur P. Vidal told The Times. Special ops troops pay Fartusi's religious police with "bricks of Iraqi dinars."

Presidents Reagan and Bush I armed and funded similar men with identical religious and political beliefs in Afghanistan during the 1980s and 1990s. The result was Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), September 11, 2001. So why the hell are we doing it again?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=/ucru/20030527/cm_ucru/operation_iraqi_eradication



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Mr. Magoo
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posted 29 May 2003 05:40 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Alcohol and the display of a woman's body are forbidden for us Muslims, as they are for Christians, upon whom I call to give up these banned things.

Hmmm.. dunno about the Bible's take on a woman's body, what with all the "laying with" and the "begatting" and such, but I'm pretty sure it's OK with alcohol. Didn't Jesus make some water into some??

At any rate, I hope we/the U.S. isn't funding such obvious intolerance. (Are they?)


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DrConway
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posted 29 May 2003 08:16 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I have but two words: "Oh, crap."
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verbatim
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posted 29 May 2003 08:23 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Mr. Magoo: AFAIK, in Islam, the Old Testament is in, but Jesus is out. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Besides, as Mohamad Khan has pointed out elsewhere, Islam is interpreted privately, meaning all of this crap is offered purely on the authority of the cleric's personal status.

I could be wrong on that too...

In Salam Pax's weblog, he commented recently that it would be a disaster for liberal or moderate Muslims and secular Iraqis if the US pulled out right now, because the extremist mullahs have a lot of currency, and the result would be another Iran.

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'lance
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posted 29 May 2003 09:14 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Mr. Magoo: AFAIK, in Islam, the Old Testament is in, but Jesus is out. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Not quite... according to this, Jesus is considered a prophet, is quoted at length in the Qur'an, etc. So he's in, I guess.

Just how far in, I have no idea, and doubtless it varies depending on what branch of Islam you follow, what your local Alim has to say, and so on and so forth.

Edited to add:

Jesus is not, of course, the son of God in Islam.

(And WingNut, my dear fellow (PBUY)... we've got some wicked side-scroll here. Edit your link, please!)

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