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posted 10 April 2003 04:47 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From: the twilight zone between the U.S. and Canada | Registered: Aug 2002  |  IP: Logged
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posted 10 April 2003 05:20 PM      Profile for Whazzup?     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Walkom's logic is faulty. He says that the war in Iraq has "shown the impossibility of defeating the U.S. through conventional military methods."

And in that sense it has bolstered the case of those, such as Osama bin Laden, who argue that the only effective way to stop the U.S. military machine is by bringing the battle home to North America in the form of bloody terrorist attacks.

The reality is just the opposite. The U.S. military machine wasn't stopped by a bloody terrorist attack (on 9/11). It was revved up and sent off to Afghanistan and Iraq.

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posted 10 April 2003 05:46 PM      Profile for Steve_Shutt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Actually I think you misunderstand what he is arguing. Bin Laden's goal is to create chaos at home (Saudi Arabia in particular but in the middle east generally), fear in the west and reprisals by the Americans (to keep the cycle going). The attack on Iraq was exactly the sort of thing that Bin Laden was looking for.

Personally I'm glad that Bin Laden doesn't seem to understand American/western society that well or he would - after getting our attention on 9/11 - have begun to target truly soft targets like WalMarts and McDonalds restaurants. While the Pentagon and the WTC, in particular, made for a sick photo-op and were well known symbols of American power they are also rather distant places, even to most Americans.

One of the interesting developments following the initial shock of 9/11 was the very quick and obvious difference in attitudes towards terrorism threats WITHIN the United States. Americans were shocked and horrified by what they saw but, like Pearl Harbour, NYC is a long ways from Kansas or Chicago California or even Philadelphia. Its not that Americans were not outraged at the attacks but this was not something that was "brought home" to most Americans in the same way that it was to those on the east coast.

I really hope that Bush and his posse can do this right and turn Iraq into a Middle-Eastern France or Germany repleat with a distinctly un-American foreign policy and economic agenda (for the new government to have any credibility at home or in the region it will need to be overtly cool to its liberators for some time, every sweetheart deal will look like they are American poodles) but I'm not convinced that Rumsfeld, Cheney and the lot can do this or even if they want to do this.

If the "new" Iraq descends into an extended period of anarchy or if the new regime flounders then Bin Ladden, and those like him, will find a wonderful new base of operations and recruitment centre.

From: coming in off the left wing | Registered: Jul 2002  |  IP: Logged
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posted 11 April 2003 03:50 AM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm sure bin Laden & his boys must be having one hell of a wild party right about now. Their cave must be just a-hoppin'!

That infidel Saddam gone, mutilated bodies of innocents all over al-Jazeera, seething anger across the entire Muslim world...

Yee-haw! Bring on the new recruits!

From: vancouvergrad, BCSSR | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged

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